@ 430 hp and only 475 lb-ft....i guess the V8 in Raptor crowd will pipe down

xrocket21 said:

I get it, you like V8's better

They sound SO good

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EricM said:

I like engines that are reliable because I keep my trucks for a long time. If I bought a new truck every 3 years- I would not care what was in it.

Yes, I'd prefer a V8 for the sound, but it's not a requirement. I own 5 vehicles and only two have V8s. Two have 6 cylinder EcoBoost engines, one has the 3.5L and one has the 2.7L. I know both of my EB engines are more likely to have issues than my other vehicle's engines, since they are comparatively complex and have a bunch of parts that can fail that my other vehicles simply don't have. They are also more stressed- notably higher cylinder pressures and associated bearing loads. I also know they might just go to 150K+ miles without any issues as well- Ford doesn't build junk engines like Fiat. However, I know with 100% certainty that my 2013 Raptor will never have a turbo failure. The secondary timing chain will never fail. The camshaft will never separate into multiple pieces. The 6.2L is not bulletproof, but it's a HELL of a lot closer to it than any EB engine ever made.

I know, you paid a lot of money for your truck and your just HAVE to defend the purchase decision to the bitter end- I get it. But damn man, it's like you have some weird hatred for any V8 engine and a belief that that no V8 can ever match up to a turbocharged 3.5L Ford Cyclone engine. The 3.5L EB is not special in any way- it's a 90 degree DOHC V6 with a ton of boost thrown at it. It gets marginally better fuel mileage than a V8 making the same power, simply because it has 2 less sets of cylinder rings dragging up and down at light engine loads. A V8 at the same boost level would outperform it by a good margin. Everything a V6 can do power wise, a larger V8 can do better. N/A to N/A the V8 wins. Boost to boost, the V8 wins. The old rule always applies, there is no replacement for displacement. All other things equal, the ONLY advantage the V6 has is better fuel mileage at light loads and a smaller package.

So back to the can Ford hop up the 7.3L question. Yes they can. Can they out-power the 3.5L EB with the 7.3L N/A? Yes, even without boost. It still may not feel as powerful at the low end of the RPM range due to a lack of boost though. The low end boost is what people like about EB engines. Can they make the 7.3L destroy the 3.5L V6 in every performance aspect by putting some boost to it as well? Yes they can. Do we need that much power in a truck? Personally, I don't think so. I'm fine with my N/A 6.2L and it's lowly 410 HP. I've driven tuned Gen 2 trucks and they leave me with no desire to own one whatsoever, even though they are certainly faster and more powerful. I prefer reliability over ultimate power in my trucks. The 7.3L in place of the TT 3.5L would fit that bill.

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EricM said:

I like engines that are reliable because I keep my trucks for a long time. If I bought a new truck every 3 years- I would not care what was in it.

Yes, I'd prefer a V8 for the sound, but it's not a requirement. I own 5 vehicles and only two have V8s. Two have 6 cylinder EcoBoost engines, one has the 3.5L and one has the 2.7L. I know both of my EB engines are more likely to have issues than my other vehicle's engines, since they are comparatively complex and have a bunch of parts that can fail that my other vehicles simply don't have. They are also more stressed- notably higher cylinder pressures and associated bearing loads. I also know they might just go to 150K+ miles without any issues as well- Ford doesn't build junk engines like Fiat. However, I know with 100% certainty that my 2013 Raptor will never have a turbo failure. The secondary timing chain will never fail. The camshaft will never separate into multiple pieces. The 6.2L is not bulletproof, but it's a HELL of a lot closer to it than any EB engine ever made.

I know, you paid a lot of money for your truck and your just HAVE to defend the purchase decision to the bitter end- I get it. But damn man, it's like you have some weird hatred for any V8 engine and a belief that that no V8 can ever match up to a turbocharged 3.5L Ford Cyclone engine. The 3.5L EB is not special in any way- it's a 90 degree DOHC V6 with a ton of boost thrown at it. It gets marginally better fuel mileage than a V8 making the same power, simply because it has 2 less sets of cylinder rings dragging up and down at light engine loads. A V8 at the same boost level would outperform it by a good margin. Everything a V6 can do power wise, a larger V8 can do better. N/A to N/A the V8 wins. Boost to boost, the V8 wins. The old rule always applies, there is no replacement for displacement. All other things equal, the ONLY advantage the V6 has is better fuel mileage at light loads and a smaller package.

So back to the can Ford hop up the 7.3L question. Yes they can. Can they out-power the 3.5L EB with the 7.3L N/A? Yes, even without boost. It still may not feel as powerful at the low end of the RPM range due to a lack of boost though. The low end boost is what people like about EB engines. Can they make the 7.3L destroy the 3.5L V6 in every performance aspect by putting some boost to it as well? Yes they can. Do we need that much power in a truck? Personally, I don't think so. I'm fine with my N/A 6.2L and it's lowly 410 HP. I've driven tuned Gen 2 trucks and they leave me with no desire to own one whatsoever, even though they are certainly faster and more powerful. I prefer reliability over ultimate power in my trucks. The 7.3L in place of the TT 3.5L would fit that bill.

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EricM said:

I like engines that are reliable because I keep my trucks for a long time. If I bought a new truck every 3 years- I would not care what was in it.

Yes, I'd prefer a V8 for the sound, but it's not a requirement. I own 5 vehicles and only two have V8s. Two have 6 cylinder EcoBoost engines, one has the 3.5L and one has the 2.7L. I know both of my EB engines are more likely to have issues than my other vehicle's engines, since they are comparatively complex and have a bunch of parts that can fail that my other vehicles simply don't have. They are also more stressed- notably higher cylinder pressures and associated bearing loads. I also know they might just go to 150K+ miles without any issues as well- Ford doesn't build junk engines like Fiat. However, I know with 100% certainty that my 2013 Raptor will never have a turbo failure. The secondary timing chain will never fail. The camshaft will never separate into multiple pieces. The 6.2L is not bulletproof, but it's a HELL of a lot closer to it than any EB engine ever made.

I know, you paid a lot of money for your truck and your just HAVE to defend the purchase decision to the bitter end- I get it. But damn man, it's like you have some weird hatred for any V8 engine and a belief that that no V8 can ever match up to a turbocharged 3.5L Ford Cyclone engine. The 3.5L EB is not special in any way- it's a 90 degree DOHC V6 with a ton of boost thrown at it. It gets marginally better fuel mileage than a V8 making the same power, simply because it has 2 less sets of cylinder rings dragging up and down at light engine loads. A V8 at the same boost level would outperform it by a good margin. Everything a V6 can do power wise, a larger V8 can do better. N/A to N/A the V8 wins. Boost to boost, the V8 wins. The old rule always applies, there is no replacement for displacement. All other things equal, the ONLY advantage the V6 has is better fuel mileage at light loads and a smaller package.

So back to the can Ford hop up the 7.3L question. Yes they can. Can they out-power the 3.5L EB with the 7.3L N/A? Yes, even without boost. It still may not feel as powerful at the low end of the RPM range due to a lack of boost though. The low end boost is what people like about EB engines. Can they make the 7.3L destroy the 3.5L V6 in every performance aspect by putting some boost to it as well? Yes they can. Do we need that much power in a truck? Personally, I don't think so. I'm fine with my N/A 6.2L and it's lowly 410 HP. I've driven tuned Gen 2 trucks and they leave me with no desire to own one whatsoever, even though they are certainly faster and more powerful. I prefer reliability over ultimate power in my trucks. The 7.3L in place of the TT 3.5L would fit that bill.

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EricM said:

I like engines that are reliable because I keep my trucks for a long time. If I bought a new truck every 3 years- I would not care what was in it.

Yes, I'd prefer a V8 for the sound, but it's not a requirement. I own 5 vehicles and only two have V8s. Two have 6 cylinder EcoBoost engines, one has the 3.5L and one has the 2.7L. I know both of my EB engines are more likely to have issues than my other vehicle's engines, since they are comparatively complex and have a bunch of parts that can fail that my other vehicles simply don't have. They are also more stressed- notably higher cylinder pressures and associated bearing loads. I also know they might just go to 150K+ miles without any issues as well- Ford doesn't build junk engines like Fiat. However, I know with 100% certainty that my 2013 Raptor will never have a turbo failure. The secondary timing chain will never fail. The camshaft will never separate into multiple pieces. The 6.2L is not bulletproof, but it's a HELL of a lot closer to it than any EB engine ever made.

I know, you paid a lot of money for your truck and your just HAVE to defend the purchase decision to the bitter end- I get it. But damn man, it's like you have some weird hatred for any V8 engine and a belief that that no V8 can ever match up to a turbocharged 3.5L Ford Cyclone engine. The 3.5L EB is not special in any way- it's a 90 degree DOHC V6 with a ton of boost thrown at it. It gets marginally better fuel mileage than a V8 making the same power, simply because it has 2 less sets of cylinder rings dragging up and down at light engine loads. A V8 at the same boost level would outperform it by a good margin. Everything a V6 can do power wise, a larger V8 can do better. N/A to N/A the V8 wins. Boost to boost, the V8 wins. The old rule always applies, there is no replacement for displacement. All other things equal, the ONLY advantage the V6 has is better fuel mileage at light loads and a smaller package.

So back to the can Ford hop up the 7.3L question. Yes they can. Can they out-power the 3.5L EB with the 7.3L N/A? Yes, even without boost. It still may not feel as powerful at the low end of the RPM range due to a lack of boost though. The low end boost is what people like about EB engines. Can they make the 7.3L destroy the 3.5L V6 in every performance aspect by putting some boost to it as well? Yes they can. Do we need that much power in a truck? Personally, I don't think so. I'm fine with my N/A 6.2L and it's lowly 410 HP. I've driven tuned Gen 2 trucks and they leave me with no desire to own one whatsoever, even though they are certainly faster and more powerful. I prefer reliability over ultimate power in my trucks. The 7.3L in place of the TT 3.5L would fit that bill.

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EricM said:

I like engines that are reliable because I keep my trucks for a long time. If I bought a new truck every 3 years- I would not care what was in it.

Yes, I'd prefer a V8 for the sound, but it's not a requirement. I own 5 vehicles and only two have V8s. Two have 6 cylinder EcoBoost engines, one has the 3.5L and one has the 2.7L. I know both of my EB engines are more likely to have issues than my other vehicle's engines, since they are comparatively complex and have a bunch of parts that can fail that my other vehicles simply don't have. They are also more stressed- notably higher cylinder pressures and associated bearing loads. I also know they might just go to 150K+ miles without any issues as well- Ford doesn't build junk engines like Fiat. However, I know with 100% certainty that my 2013 Raptor will never have a turbo failure. The secondary timing chain will never fail. The camshaft will never separate into multiple pieces. The 6.2L is not bulletproof, but it's a HELL of a lot closer to it than any EB engine ever made.

I know, you paid a lot of money for your truck and your just HAVE to defend the purchase decision to the bitter end- I get it. But damn man, it's like you have some weird hatred for any V8 engine and a belief that that no V8 can ever match up to a turbocharged 3.5L Ford Cyclone engine. The 3.5L EB is not special in any way- it's a 90 degree DOHC V6 with a ton of boost thrown at it. It gets marginally better fuel mileage than a V8 making the same power, simply because it has 2 less sets of cylinder rings dragging up and down at light engine loads. A V8 at the same boost level would outperform it by a good margin. Everything a V6 can do power wise, a larger V8 can do better. N/A to N/A the V8 wins. Boost to boost, the V8 wins. The old rule always applies, there is no replacement for displacement. All other things equal, the ONLY advantage the V6 has is better fuel mileage at light loads and a smaller package.

So back to the can Ford hop up the 7.3L question. Yes they can. Can they out-power the 3.5L EB with the 7.3L N/A? Yes, even without boost. It still may not feel as powerful at the low end of the RPM range due to a lack of boost though. The low end boost is what people like about EB engines. Can they make the 7.3L destroy the 3.5L V6 in every performance aspect by putting some boost to it as well? Yes they can. Do we need that much power in a truck? Personally, I don't think so. I'm fine with my N/A 6.2L and it's lowly 410 HP. I've driven tuned Gen 2 trucks and they leave me with no desire to own one whatsoever, even though they are certainly faster and more powerful. I prefer reliability over ultimate power in my trucks. The 7.3L in place of the TT 3.5L would fit that bill.

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davidl81 said:

FWIW I find it pretty remarkable how reliable the 3.5EB engines have been. When I bought my first EB F150 I was nervous about how hard they would be taxing a V6, but even with all of the complex parts that engines have been just as solid as any other V8 out there. I get your general point, there are less parts in a NA V8, thus less can go wrong. There is no debate to that statement. At the end of the day Ford felt as though the 3.5 HOEB was their best engine for the Raptor. If the 7.3 was ready when the Raptor was first made would it have gone in, now that is a question that could be up for debate. I just think at this point they are all in on the HOEB and if a Raptor were to get a V8 it would just need to be something that has a big jump in performance from the HOEB, not a modest jump like a slightly adjusted NA 7.3 would be.

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