The death of car culture

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Could very well be.

The Chevy VOLT has always been on my radar as one of the absolute worst EV's ever made. IIRC, the total range was something like 40 miles. FORTY.

Well, in pure EV mode, yes. The range with a full battery and full tank of gas is over 600 miles. It's not my thing, but it makes sense for people who want a single vehicle that can commute on EV but still go on vacation without renting something. It's also 15 year old tech at this point.
 

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Well, in pure EV mode, yes. The range with a full battery and full tank of gas is over 600 miles. It's not my thing, but it makes sense for people who want a single vehicle that can commute on EV but still go on vacation without renting something. It's also 15 year old tech at this point.
Whoa! The Volt is a hybrid? And the battery is that expensive? That's crazy. What's a replacement battery cost for the EV? Doing search magic ... the Bolt?
 

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Whoa! The Volt is a hybrid? And the battery is that expensive? That's crazy. What's a replacement battery cost for the EV? Doing search magic ... the Bolt?

I would consider it a PHEV, but GM didn't market it as such. They marketed it as an EV with a "range extender" in the form of an onboard flex fuel engine. It's something tiny, I don't recall, but under 1.5L displacement. It does not directly power the wheels except under very limited circumstances, but during routine driving it just runs to recharge the battery as needed. I think the difference is primarily marketing, personally.

I'm not really interested in a pure EV at this point, maybe not ever but who knows what the future holds, but a performance PHEV vehicle appeals to me a lot more than an econo-PHEV. Something like a turbo 6 driving the rear wheels and strong electric assist driving the front wheels under hard acceleration could be the magic sweet spot of speed, normal range, and flexibility. Probably lose hard on the cost front, but I'm assuming most folks on a Raptor forum value performance over absolute cost.
 

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Gent's, all is not lost. A lot of kids are motorheads. My son and I took the 18 and the 22 to a car show this morning. Sorry for the potato pic, no idea what happened. lol. Got home and he changed his oil by himself. Finally, I get to just watch. Last pic is him at Rally Ready a few weeks ago, his buddy that's into mustangs riding bitch.

He is in talks with his HS counselor to start a school car club. It's getting easier to keep him off his phone!holder6.jpgholder7.jpgcapture.jpg
 

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l believe the original Checy Volts were EV only. I never even heard of a hybrid version, but I never kept up with them once originally discounted as being a waste. There were tons of articles at the time about it being the Edsel of EV's.
 

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At one point I would have thought that what California does, would not affect me. But they are what, the 7th largest economy in the world? I imagine that does affect things further than their state border.
California has been in the driver's seat for years when it comes to the car industry. Now they're mandating that one-third of vehicle sales in 2026 and two-thirds in 2030 will be zero emissions, on the way to 100% in 2035. Even if(when) they don't get there, the damage to the auto industry will be massive. I would wet myself in joy if FMC came out with a line of non-California compliant performance vehicles. A middle finger toward the left coast.
 

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l believe the original Checy Volts were EV only. I never even heard of a hybrid version, but I never kept up with them once originally discounted as being a waste. There were tons of articles at the time about it being the Edsel of EV's.

Still no. The basic premise has been the same since launch. Not to belabor the point, but Chevy marketed them as EVs with a "range extender" but they have *always* had a gas motor and have actually always been PHEVs by anyone but Chevy's understanding of the term. The difference with the Volt is the gas motor runs to recharge the battery as it's primary function, and is never the primary driver of the vehicle. It can assist the electric motor in certain situations, but the electric motor is always primary, even if the gas motor is powering it due to low battery, it never switches to gas only mode like competitors.

Original review by Edmunds in 2010:


But the 2011 Chevrolet Volt is supposed to offer 40 miles of electric-only driving range, GM claims — a big jump that potentially puts the Volt at the three-quarters point along the line and perhaps farther along than that.

GM seems to want to lay claim to the right-hand endpoint of the line, however. This is the Volt, a name synonymous with electricity, and GM has tried to reinforce its image by describing it as an extended-range electric vehicle. But we cannot ignore the fact that the Volt has a gasoline engine. The 2011 Chevy Volt is a plug-in hybrid. Not that there's anything wrong with that. In fact, there's a lot right with such a concept.

Just for whatever reason, Chevy advertising really pushed the electric part and gave short change to the gas part, as seen in
advertising for the original model year:

 

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So, kind of like this from Sept 2022 issue of CAR and DRIVER received yesterday -

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Kind of like Kalifornia outlawing gas vehicles by 2030, yet all electricity coming in to the state from coal from another state. That doesn't make EV's in Kalifornia "clean" vehicles by any stretch. Sarcastic example, but not far off.
 

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Even at a cost of $ 6K - $ 12K (in today's dollars) who is going to pay very much for an EV 10 years from now. I wish someone would do a life cycle total cost for an IC engine vehicle and an EV. Between the mining for the cells and the disposal cost, plus the short life span, I still think this is a hoax on the American people. And I do not believe it will help the environment (everything considered) one bit. Call me an EV Denier. :cool:
 
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