Raptor Makes the "Dirty Dozen"

[Lucky14]

I have heard folks say things like "I love my Prius...". I have to wonder about that. How the hell could you LOVE a Prius? It's like saying "I love earthworms" or "I love body odor" or "I love running doing dishes". Then again, Lady Gaga sells a lot of concert tickets.

 

[trolls56]

You know I am not against buying a hybrid but it sure as hell isn't cuz I think I'm saving the world. It would be cuz I want something with good gas mileage around town.

 

[Droid]

I have heard folks say things like "I love my Prius...". I have to wonder about that. How the hell could you LOVE a Prius? It's like saying "I love earthworms" or "I love body odor" or "I love running doing dishes". Then again, Lady Gaga sells a lot of concert tickets.

Try to get one as your next rental car. They're entertaining in an extremely different way. kglesq (brother) had one as a rental and I tried it out too. The damn gas mileage display is basically a video game. Try to drive and keep the car in the efficiency zone. It's nontrivial, and kind of fun (provided you don't mind being a complete ******* to the rest of the road users). If you've ever wondered why many Prius drivers go incredibly slow and appear to be driving like they're on cellphones, this "video game" is basically the reason why (it is a significant distraction, and it's not even located in a good/safe place, at least on the current/third gen Prius).

From what I can tell most people "love" them because they're either gadget-oriented and don't care about cars, OR they like the fact that it makes them feel they are better than everyone else.

 

[trolls56]

Try to get one as your next rental car. They're entertaining in an extremely different way. kglesq (brother) had one as a rental and I tried it out too. The damn gas mileage display is basically a video game. Try to drive and keep the car in the efficiency zone. It's nontrivial, and kind of fun (provided you don't mind being a complete ******* to the rest of the road users). If you've ever wondered why many Prius drivers go incredibly slow and appear to be driving like they're on cellphones, this "video game" is basically the reason why (it is a significant distraction, and it's not even located in a good/safe place, at least on the current/third gen Prius).

From what I can tell most people "love" them because they're either gadget-oriented and don't care about cars, OR they like the fact that it makes them feel they are better than everyone else.

I think it cuz they really think they are saving the world and are better than everyone else.

 

[Lucky14]

I think it cuz they really think they are saving the world and are better than everyone else.

Yea, that's my hunch. I like my Raptor because I feel I am saving he world from another Prius....

BTW, in addition to our PoS Civic Hybrid, one of my sons drives a Mazda Tribute Hybrid and it's actually a pretty damn good car. Not because it's a hybrid though...

 

[SilverBolt]

I am entertained by the uninformed that think the Prius is actually good for the environment. What do they think happens to all the used up batteries? How about the heavy metals used to produce them? The current hybrid technology currently in use is as bogus as global warming. Energy storage in it's current form is far too inefficient to be a true benefit. We all need a mini nuculear reactor to power our vehicles. Refuel every 100 years and call it good.

 

[Madcowranch]

I am entertained by the uninformed that think the Prius is actually good for the environment. What do they think happens to all the used up batteries? How about the heavy metals used to produce them? The current hybrid technology currently in use is as bogus as global warming. Energy storage in it's current form is far too inefficient to be a true benefit. We all need a mini nuculear reactor to power our vehicles. Refuel every 100 years and call it good.

Hey Bolt you may be on to something there. We could generate all the electric power we need in this country with these nuclear reactors also!

 

[Truck Wolf]

Lots of defensiveness on this thread...
Why is it seen as a bad thing to want to drive a vehicle that uses less energy? We should all try to reduce our energy consumption for reasons that should be obvious to all but the most idiotic/brainwashed people.
I didn't buy a Raptor to save money on gas or save the environment, but I did trade in my gas-guzzling SUV for two vehicles: A Raptor (for weekend getaways and bad weather, etc.) and a Honda Civic Hybrid (for my daily, 100+ mile commuting duties). Granted, I did this for economical reasons more than any sense of obligation to the environment, but I have no regrets and I actually enjoy using less fuel on my commute.
And for those who claim the Honda Civic is a "POS", I have to say that their sales figures/resale values/customer satisfaction statistics will refute this assertion on any level. As a matter of fact, my new Honda is still running fine but my new Ford is already plagued by clunks and glitches that have already had me back to the dealer on more than one occasion.

 

[Droid]

Lots of defensiveness on this thread...
Why is it seen as a bad thing to want to drive a vehicle that uses less energy? We should all try to reduce our energy consumption for reasons that should be obvious to all but the most idiotic/brainwashed people.
I didn't buy a Raptor to save money on gas or save the environment, but I did trade in my gas-guzzling SUV for two vehicles: A Raptor (for weekend getaways and bad weather, etc.) and a Honda Civic Hybrid (for my daily, 100+ mile commuting duties). Granted, I did this for economical reasons more than any sense of obligation to the environment, but I have no regrets and I actually enjoy using less fuel on my commute.
And for those who claim the Honda Civic is a "POS", I have to say that their sales figures/resale values/customer satisfaction statistics will refute this assertion on any level. As a matter of fact, my new Honda is still running fine but my new Ford is already plagued by clunks and glitches that have already had me back to the dealer on more than one occasion.

I think a lot of people get ticked off by the current "green" movement because there's a tremendous amount of misinformation, i.e., ********, mixed into it. As my previous post indicated, I'm annoyed by the Raptor being included in the dirty dozen. Per mile, your Raptor emits fewer smog forming particulate matter than does any Civic other than your Hybrid model. Yes, the Raptor is far from an environmental poster child, but there's nothing "dirty" about its exhaust.

 

[Lucky14]

Lots of defensiveness on this thread...
Why is it seen as a bad thing to want to drive a vehicle that uses less energy? We should all try to reduce our energy consumption for reasons that should be obvious to all but the most idiotic/brainwashed people.
I didn't buy a Raptor to save money on gas or save the environment, but I did trade in my gas-guzzling SUV for two vehicles: A Raptor (for weekend getaways and bad weather, etc.) and a Honda Civic Hybrid (for my daily, 100+ mile commuting duties). Granted, I did this for economical reasons more than any sense of obligation to the environment, but I have no regrets and I actually enjoy using less fuel on my commute.
And for those who claim the Honda Civic is a "POS", I have to say that their sales figures/resale values/customer satisfaction statistics will refute this assertion on any level. As a matter of fact, my new Honda is still running fine but my new Ford is already plagued by clunks and glitches that have already had me back to the dealer on more than one occasion.

I'm all for saving money on gas. And I'm glad your Civic is working out for you. Here are a few of the neato features our 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid offers...

- New tires every 8-10k miles. Yea, the alignment is fine and the pressures are dead on. And I've also replaced 2 blown tires in the rear. Sweet...

- New battery-pack at 16k miles. That's a $6,000 repair. A bit of online research showed that I was not alone. Seems like a TON of owners had the same issue. The dealer acknowledged the same...

- Full 20-25% worse mileage than advertised. The sticker said 41/50. Yet the best the car has ever done is 36 highway (no air conditioning) and 41 city. A friend of mine had a standard 2006 Civic that got 38 on the highway. Surprise, surprise, when other owners saw the same thing and sued Honda, they reworked the numbers.

- Fully oxidized paint on the rear spoiler. Even with regular waxing the paint basically vanished. Worst paint I have seen on any car I have ever purchased.

Had someone asked me within a year of buying the car I probably would have said "Hey, it's pretty good. As evidenced by their sales figures, etc. it must not be a PoS.". I'm also pretty sure that Honda attempted to fix these issues in later models - for your sake I hope so. But as I said, our Civic defines the phrase PoS and if my daughter did not love that car I would probably take it to a junk yard and spend 2 hours beating it with a sledgehammer. There are good hybrids out there, but that year model for the Civic Hybrid is a PoS. I hope you still feel the same way in a year or two - or at least hope Honda is still paying for the new batteries.