What are you looking for in a Gen 3? (With Survey)

MTF · Nov 11, 2020

melvimbe said:
You can't claim that mods to gain more HP in the Gen2 are done as a way to match the power on the Gen1, since the Gen2 already has more power. That doesn't make any sense. People are upgrading intercooler, turbos, and tunes that use these on the Gen2 because it can be done. They are not doing that on the Gen1 since it doesn't have an intercooler, turbos to upgrade.

Of course inflation matters. The point is that if the Gen1 was sold new today, the MSRP would not be $50k, it would be around the same price as the Gen 2. Likewise, if the Gen 2 was sold in 2010-2014 when the Gen 1 were out, it's MSRP would be around $50k. Any price comparison between two products sold at different times needs to factor in inflation to be accurate. That's not to say that you can't prefer the Gen 1 or a Gen 2. It also is very true that the Gen 1 you own is worth more to you than a new Gen 2. And you probably get a used Gen1 for better value than a new or used Gen2.

Where in my statement am I saying you need to mod the Gen 2 to make more power then a stock Gen1????
My point was upgrading power on both Gen's is a must in my opinion.

19K in inflation, I don't know.

Kaz109 · Nov 11, 2020

MTF · Nov 11, 2020

FordTechOne said:
How many times do you need to regurgitate the same misinformation...you argue in circles. Its already been established that the Gen 2 SuperCab costs within $500 of your Gen 1 SuperCab when adjusted for inflation. Your claims of $20,000 are ridiculous and entirely fabricated, do you not understand how inflation works?

And of course you bring up the EcoBoost "sound", is that all you have to grasp on to? That's a non-starter. Give it a rest guy, we get that you're a Gen 1 fanboy, but stop confusing your opinion with the facts. Everything you've claimed has proven to be misleading or downright wrong.

I'm not arguing but I'm not going to stay quite, when someone says "out performs in every way".
My facts are that my boosted Gen 1 will out run the Gen 2, that's the one major reason for not buying a new one.

Your adjustment to make the Gens cost the same is ridiculous as well my friend.

melvimbe · Nov 11, 2020

FordTechOne said:
I don't know why these concepts are so difficult for him to understand. Anyone that claims "inflation doesn't matter" when comparing the prices between vehicles of different years needs to go back to high school, that is the most ridiculous and ignorant thing I've seen in this entire thread.

I think inflation is an easy concept to understand to understand, but difficult to accept when you're talking about products you already own. For a personal perspective, what we own is worth what we paid for it, or at a depreciated value. So when deciding whether to keep the vehicle you own vs buy a new one, inflation is completely irrelevant. However, if you're objectively comparing vehicle prices as the were when release, inflation has to be factored in.

MTF · Nov 11, 2020

melvimbe said:
I think inflation is an easy concept to understand to understand, but difficult to accept when you're talking about products you already own. For a personal perspective, what we own is worth what we paid for it, or at a depreciated value. So when deciding whether to keep the vehicle you own vs buy a new one, inflation is completely irrelevant. However, if you're objectively comparing vehicle prices as the were when release, inflation has to be factored in.

I agree with you, I'm just saying to get the same options plus the new gadgetry that comes base model the Gen 2 offers, I price it at $19,000 higher.

Kaz109 · Nov 11, 2020

MTF said:
I'm not arguing but I'm not going to stay quite, when someone says "out performs in every way".
My facts are that my boosted Gen 1 will out run the Gen 2, that's the one major reason for not buying a new one.

Your adjustment to make the Gens cost the same is ridiculous as well my friend.

You can't possibly be this naive.......dude a stock for stock comparison like we are talking about a Gen 2 outperforms a gen 1 in all aspect. Your modded gen 1 has zero relevance to that fact

MTF · Nov 11, 2020

Your missing my point, stop reading your own thoughts to what I state.

The Gen 2 has upgraded parts right, it should be better.

melvimbe · Nov 11, 2020

MTF said:
Where in my statement am I saying you need to mod the Gen 2 to make more power then a stock Gen1????
My point was upgrading power on both Gen's is a must in my opinion.

19K in inflation, I don't know.

The discussion was in comparing the value you get in a Gen 1 vs Gen 2. I'm not sure why you talk about people opting to upgrade their Gen 2 power, since it does not factor into the comparison between the two.

It sounds like you're saying that you'd rather keep your truck then get a Gen 2, and that makes perfect sense. It sounds like you would also rather buy a new Gen 1 at $50k then a Gen 2 at $75k, and that makes sense to....whatever the numbers happen to be as long at the Gen 1 is significantly cheaper than the Gen 2. The whole point of bringing up inflation is that the Gen 1 and Gen 2 prices would be about the same, but if that seems irrelevant to you, ok then.

Deleted member 12951 · Nov 11, 2020

FordTechOne said:
Way to overreact and make a fool of yourself. I'm not a "Gen 2 fanboy", but there is a common trend on this forum of confusing opinions with the facts. You can like the Gen 1 better, but the facts are that the Gen 2 outperforms it in every single way. Chances are the Gen 3 will outperform the Gen 2 as well. See how that works? It's called progress. I have plenty of time to chat on FRF because the cam phaser issue is blown out of proportion by sasquatches like yourself, who will say anything to bash the newer, better performing model. I've never seen a forum so divided between 2 generations of a vehicle; the amount of misinformation is incredible.

So now I am on your side and I am still the bad guy? Geez. I already said the GEN2 is better in every aspect over the GEN1. But you want to continue to bash me? The divid is from the Jenny’s, they just can’t stop rubbing their opinions in other face’s. All I ever said was the GEN2 wasn’t that overwhelming to me. I am entitled to my own opinion but I am not entitled to my own facts. Fact: The GEN2 is BETTER than the GEN1, end of story!

FordTechOne · Nov 11, 2020

MTF said:
I agree with you, I'm just saying to get the same options plus the new gadgetry that comes base model the Gen 2 offers, I price it at $19,000 higher.

Let me try to break this for you in the simplest way possible, since you clearly can’t grasp the concept of inflation.

You spent $48,000 on your Gen 1 in 2010. In 2020, that amount of money is equivalent to $57,000, relative to the economy (inflation). You can buy a Gen 2 SuperCab 801A, which includes more options and features than your Gen 1, for $57k. That means you can buy the new model for the same amount of money you spent on your truck in 2010.

Enough with your fabricated numbers of “$19k”; you’re not making any sense.

What are you looking for in a Gen 3? (With Survey)

What are the most important features for you to get a Gen 3?

V8 (supercharged or N/A just as long as it's not a 6 banger!)

Scab body type

801A type package

Hybrid Engine option

Big screen display

37" Tire option

A price under $80k

Bigger gas tank

Factory installed light bars

Factory installed winch

Starbucks gift card with purchase

I don't plan on getting a Gen 3 as I love my current raptor too much

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