Any way to avoid paying tax on ADM?

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So I’m sure there are way more people here that paid ADM and just don’t want to admit it… so you can start your reply with “I heard”

Anyway, anyone know of a way around paying tax on ADM? Paying over already bothers me and paying tax on top of that’s like saying thank you after being *****.
 

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You only pay taxes on MSRP. If you paid taxes on ADM you were screwed.. in fact most titles in not all states will force dealers to put the msrp on the title being issued. You won't need to pay taxes on purchase price, only msrp. I have bought vehicles in NY, NJ, CA, MN, MO, TX and FL. The only state I'll never buy again in is CA due to having to pay double taxes. I'm not afraid to say I've paid ADM on vehicles I've wanted and only have paid my states taxes on MSRP (or purchase price if it was less than MSRP) or whatever the difference in my trade was. Now this isn't obviously every state so your mileage may vary here, but in my experience you will be fine.
 

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Only way I know is have them put the ADM in your trade and not on the truck. My state you pay tax on the trade difference.
 

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You pay taxes on the sale price of the vehicle. If they mark it up, and you pay it, it is on the sale of that vehicle. That's my understanding. I would find it to be a challenging discussion when you register it, and they ask for the bill of sale... or
if the dealer can "hide" it, maybe you don't pay it.. just not sure how that would work. Has to be auditable in the end.
 

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Maybe I'm looking at this wrong. If Walmart sells product X for $100 and Target sells the same product X for $120 you pay taxes on the whole purchase not the difference in price. I don't know why it would be any different with a vehicle. However there could be odd laws in states that I'm not aware of.
 

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Correct. State sales and use taxes are codified, generally, on the actual sale price of the vehicle. I’d encourage you to know the law and administrative code your state vehicle registrars use BEFORE you sign.

If you buy private party and obtain a bill of sale, the tax is on the actual sale price. Pay attention here, you may need a notarized receipt.

I got into an all day long fight with the MD MVA branch chief in Waldorf, circa 1992 or 1993 on my first Mustang, bought used for around 6400 bucks or so, which was substantially under KBB. MD admin wanted full KBB because it was 1200 higher and I said F*** you, here’s my receipt, I didn’t pay that.

Oh, but Mr. Smurfslayer, MD requires a notarized receipt for anything under kbb value.

“Cite to authority, please”. followed by perplexed looks, so I followed up with “show me in the state code or state regulations, your authority to charge me more than the receipt, and/or your authority to require documentation above what the courts require”. This poor woman was absolutely stymied. They wanted me to move out of line, and I refused - “I have business with MVA, have the required documentation and the funds to complete the transaction”. They called a charles co. deputy, and he backed me, so they could not service another person until I was done -- So they got someone else at the counter.

I made them produce the code book - this is pre pdf days, pre strong internet search, etc. So they brought out 2 volumes of MVA regulations, rules and policies that were easily Webster’s unabridged sized. I made the branch chief pour through that manual to find the relevant authority. It took her 30 minutes to try and bargain out of it and I offered “I’ve taken the whole day off, and you’re not charging me another $200 in taxes”. Back to the books. About mid afternoon, she found it, and the text was an MVA “policy”, not a state regulation or law and they lacked authority to enforce it. I demanded they process the registration & tax at my receipt’s price, eventually she relented.

I knew the state law at the time, but I was sketchy on administrative code. I knew they couldn’t legally enforce agency ‘policy’ on me though through probably 10 years of encounters with MD MVA, all of which were negative. I got fed up with being abused by them and came prepared. Yes, it cost me an entire day off, which was at best a break even affair for saving $200 but I didn’t make much at the time and that money was important to me.

If your ‘sales price’ of the vehicle includes the ADM, it’s taxable.
 

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Correct. State sales and use taxes are codified, generally, on the actual sale price of the vehicle. I’d encourage you to know the law and administrative code your state vehicle registrars use BEFORE you sign.

If you buy private party and obtain a bill of sale, the tax is on the actual sale price. Pay attention here, you may need a notarized receipt.

I got into an all day long fight with the MD MVA branch chief in Waldorf, circa 1992 or 1993 on my first Mustang, bought used for around 6400 bucks or so, which was substantially under KBB. MD admin wanted full KBB because it was 1200 higher and I said F*** you, here’s my receipt, I didn’t pay that.

Oh, but Mr. Smurfslayer, MD requires a notarized receipt for anything under kbb value.

“Cite to authority, please”. followed by perplexed looks, so I followed up with “show me in the state code or state regulations, your authority to charge me more than the receipt, and/or your authority to require documentation above what the courts require”. This poor woman was absolutely stymied. They wanted me to move out of line, and I refused - “I have business with MVA, have the required documentation and the funds to complete the transaction”. They called a charles co. deputy, and he backed me, so they could not service another person until I was done -- So they got someone else at the counter.

I made them produce the code book - this is pre pdf days, pre strong internet search, etc. So they brought out 2 volumes of MVA regulations, rules and policies that were easily Webster’s unabridged sized. I made the branch chief pour through that manual to find the relevant authority. It took her 30 minutes to try and bargain out of it and I offered “I’ve taken the whole day off, and you’re not charging me another $200 in taxes”. Back to the books. About mid afternoon, she found it, and the text was an MVA “policy”, not a state regulation or law and they lacked authority to enforce it. I demanded they process the registration & tax at my receipt’s price, eventually she relented.

I knew the state law at the time, but I was sketchy on administrative code. I knew they couldn’t legally enforce agency ‘policy’ on me though through probably 10 years of encounters with MD MVA, all of which were negative. I got fed up with being abused by them and came prepared. Yes, it cost me an entire day off, which was at best a break even affair for saving $200 but I didn’t make much at the time and that money was important to me.

If your ‘sales price’ of the vehicle includes the ADM, it’s taxable.
I have never seen ADM on any of my PAs as the sales price. Ever. The sales price is the MSRP, the dealer markup is just that.. no different than a doc fee included. You don't pay sales tax on that either(unless in your example or others you are seeing dealers sneaking fees as the sale price of the car) which is nuts to me.

Again YMMA, but if the dealer does it the right way or essentially the only way I've ever been part of a transaction like this you will not pay sales tax on the ADM. Bought GTR, Demon, Viper, Raptor, M3 and never had to pay more than sales tax of the msrp. In multiple different states with multiple dealerships. Not only that, but I've never even had to argue this or question it. I just bring my title to the dmv with the BOS and good to go.
 
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Maybe I'm looking at this wrong. If Walmart sells product X for $100 and Target sells the same product X for $120 you pay taxes on the whole purchase not the difference in price. I don't know why it would be any different with a vehicle. However there could be odd laws in states that I'm not aware of.
Yea I understand that… just curious if anyone that paid ADM was able to work out with their dealer on how to “hide”.

I’m not paying much over so it’s really not the biggest deal, but I know some people out there are paying these ridiculous mark ups 20-30k and was thinking, man that’s an extra kick in the junk having to pay tax on the ADM
 

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Yea I understand that… just curious if anyone that paid ADM was able to work out with their dealer on how to “hide”.

I’m not paying much over so it’s really not the biggest deal, but I know some people out there are paying these ridiculous mark ups 20-30k and was thinking, man that’s an extra kick in the junk having to pay tax on the ADM
I understand what your saying but I would guess for legal reasons a dealer would not be willing to HIDE anything. But then again they are they most sketchy people I've ever done business with.
 
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