Lot of hate from the Tundra forums!!

[smurfslayer]

It’s funny to read the comments on the Tundra forums as you can clearly see they are voicing their opinions based on information they read online or heard through a friend of a friend.

And this differs from FRF... how, exactly?

 

[Otis857]

It was a funny, if not all too familiar read. I've heard it all my life - My truck is better than your truck!! And inflated gas mileage claims go right along with it! I've been primarily a Ford guy all my life, and in my profession, I work on a lot of Chevy pickups, so I'll probably never buy one. Had only 2 Toyotas, an old school Corolla the wife had to have - POS, and a Supra I picked up cheap for a driver. The Supra was fun to drive, not as fast as it should have been with a big straight 6 in a small car, but the interior was cheap cheap cheap! And the wiring looked like a industrial phone cabinet! I never saw so much 20 gage wire in a vehicle before!

On to present day Tundras. My neighbor had a 17 Tundra and liked it,... except for 1 big thing. Gas Mileage! His 5.7 complete with ugly bauble looking hood got the same mileage as my 2011 6.2. 12mpg in town and Only 14 on the highway! He sold it and got a 15 Ram diesel and hasnt looked back.

The One thing Toyota does that I wish Ford would do is not cheap out on components that create perceived reliability issues. Thats how they built such a loyal following, not with ground breaking designs! But then again, Im sure Toyota mechanics can tell stories that we dont hear

 

[PB65stang]

It was a funny, if not all too familiar read. I've heard it all my life - My truck is better than your truck!! And inflated gas mileage claims go right along with it! I've been primarily a Ford guy all my life, and in my profession, I work on a lot of Chevy pickups, so I'll probably never buy one. Had only 2 Toyotas, an old school Corolla the wife had to have - POS, and a Supra I picked up cheap for a driver. The Supra was fun to drive, not as fast as it should have been with a big straight 6 in a small car, but the interior was cheap cheap cheap! And the wiring looked like a industrial phone cabinet! I never saw so much 20 gage wire in a vehicle before!

On to present day Tundras. My neighbor had a 17 Tundra and liked it,... except for 1 big thing. Gas Mileage! His 5.7 complete with ugly bauble looking hood got the same mileage as my 2011 6.2. 12mpg in town and Only 14 on the highway! He sold it and got a 15 Ram diesel and hasnt looked back.

The One thing Toyota does that I wish Ford would do is not cheap out on components that create perceived reliability issues. Thats how they built such a loyal following, not with ground breaking designs! But then again, Im sure Toyota mechanics can tell stories that we dont hear

I agree, one thing that Toyota has always done pretty well is make solid vehicles that don't win any style awards, but don't break. You don't often hear of things like power window switches (which I think I've replaced on every Ford I've owned) going out on Toyotas. The only real feature I wish my F-150 had that Toyota does is the roll down rear window...I really like that.

 

[Edbert]

The funniest part is that a fully loaded PRO edition is what $1K less that a loaded Raptor?

All this talk about how expensive the Raptor is. I'd never argue they are cheap but my (on order) Raptor costs less than my wife's 2010 Platinum when adjusted for inflation.

Before I pulled the trigger on the Raptor I did consider a Tacoma (would never own a Tundra), they have like 5 models, a 5-speed manual is only available in the base (not 4WD), the 4-speed auto (!!!) and NA V6 is the only drivetrain offered all the way to the top model, and this is in late 2018. Then I sat in one, I think the interior is the size of a Camry, would have to fight the other front-seat passenger for space on the arm rest. I know it is smaller but the space was roughly the same as the much smaller Ranger, the gas mileage is terrible too considering the size. The best reason to look at the Taco is the insane resale value.

 

[Frank N]

Tundra, the Toyota Camry of pickups.

 

[spg993tt]

i had a 2017 pro. and we have a 2500 laramie at the office.
just depends on your needs. if you hvae to haul stuff, plow stuff, etc. and do that a lot, then the raptor isnt going to work well for you. but 95% of my use of the truck is daily driving, trail riding, occasionally more tough stuff. but for 95% of my hauling and towing needs, the Raptor covers it no problem at all.
the 2500 is a dream for towing, and plowing, its very nice on the inside id say neck and neck with the fords.
the tundra, its kind of a tweener. its not a 2500 and its not a raptor. for just casualy overlanding and jeep trails its probably ok, i dont know off hand what the towing was, i never towed with it.

but those folks are out of their minds if they think its anywhere near the performance of a raptor, engine-wise,handling feel and most important visceral love for a truck. the raptor is just so much fun to own, prowl around in, etc.
its not the fastest, but a soft suspension, those swaybars, and those tires and its weight is the reason for that. its still much faster than my 2500 6.4l and the toyota.
its just not a porsche 911 or even a cayene. those things are road-built machines.

ultimately, gotta buy what you love, what will make your smile. unless you offroad a ton and its your profession, or a chosen recreation, the raptor lacks practicality but offers enjoyment well beyond the other 2. the other 2 are ho hum. i never feel ho hum in my raptor.

 

[signalbobby]

They actually argued the Tundra was better because it was antiquated...

it is tried and trued and reliable as hell. ive never needed to use any powertrain warranty on any of my toyota's though.

it is a cult following for sure, its great and only problem is cam tower seal leaking over time. thats about it. i'd trust it over the FERD out on the trails anyday.

my brand new 2018? different story. PDI showed a faulty fuel pump, going back in for rough idle AGAIN. rough idle to the point that its almost stalling and shaking the entire truck. how ******* hard is it to get a fuel pump right? im tempted to put in a ******* walbro fuel pump or denso for ***** sake.

It is a nice truck however with amenities. however ford needs to get their ******* quality in check.

 

[signalbobby]

i had a 2017 pro. and we have a 2500 laramie at the office.
just depends on your needs. if you hvae to haul stuff, plow stuff, etc. and do that a lot, then the raptor isnt going to work well for you. but 95% of my use of the truck is daily driving, trail riding, occasionally more tough stuff. but for 95% of my hauling and towing needs, the Raptor covers it no problem at all.
the 2500 is a dream for towing, and plowing, its very nice on the inside id say neck and neck with the fords.
the tundra, its kind of a tweener. its not a 2500 and its not a raptor. for just casualy overlanding and jeep trails its probably ok, i dont know off hand what the towing was, i never towed with it.

but those folks are out of their minds if they think its anywhere near the performance of a raptor, engine-wise,handling feel and most important visceral love for a truck. the raptor is just so much fun to own, prowl around in, etc.
its not the fastest, but a soft suspension, those swaybars, and those tires and its weight is the reason for that. its still much faster than my 2500 6.4l and the toyota.
its just not a porsche 911 or even a cayene. those things are road-built machines.

ultimately, gotta buy what you love, what will make your smile. unless you offroad a ton and its your profession, or a chosen recreation, the raptor lacks practicality but offers enjoyment well beyond the other 2. the other 2 are ho hum. i never feel ho hum in my raptor.

100%.

Its about practicality and usage. The Tundra can tow and out brake the raptor all day long. but thats not what it was intended for. However it does share the same brake system as the standard F150 so not sure about that one.
When i have my family and a 500lb load in the back, the raptor drives and handles like absolute garbage. unloaded, different story. my tundra pro it drove like a dream, and the only change was a rear sway and wider/larger tires.

 

[signalbobby]

It was a funny, if not all too familiar read. I've heard it all my life - My truck is better than your truck!! And inflated gas mileage claims go right along with it! I've been primarily a Ford guy all my life, and in my profession, I work on a lot of Chevy pickups, so I'll probably never buy one. Had only 2 Toyotas, an old school Corolla the wife had to have - POS, and a Supra I picked up cheap for a driver. The Supra was fun to drive, not as fast as it should have been with a big straight 6 in a small car, but the interior was cheap cheap cheap! And the wiring looked like a industrial phone cabinet! I never saw so much 20 gage wire in a vehicle before!

On to present day Tundras. My neighbor had a 17 Tundra and liked it,... except for 1 big thing. Gas Mileage! His 5.7 complete with ugly bauble looking hood got the same mileage as my 2011 6.2. 12mpg in town and Only 14 on the highway! He sold it and got a 15 Ram diesel and hasnt looked back.

The One thing Toyota does that I wish Ford would do is not cheap out on components that create perceived reliability issues. Thats how they built such a loyal following, not with ground breaking designs! But then again, Im sure Toyota mechanics can tell stories that we dont hear

you do know the wiring in our raptors use 20gauge and looks like stevie wonder and helen keller put the shit together right? engineering also failed with placement. designing a connector that is contacting the soft rubber engine cover? Then adding friction when the engine torques?

 

[Otis857]

you do know the wiring in our raptors use 20gauge and looks like stevie wonder and helen keller put the shit together right? engineering also failed with placement. designing a connector that is contacting the soft rubber engine cover? Then adding friction when the engine torques?

Dont know about Gen 2's but my 2011 has a shit load of 16ga wire and Very little 20 ga wire anywhere i've seen, interior or exterior. IF the new F150's have gone to 20 ga wire as their wire of least expense, I know where they learned about it.