Why no 4x4 on dry pavement?

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Reptar

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and again, turning in 4wd, where the wheels don't turn at different speeds as an AWD system would allow, which causes the inner wheel to break traction,,,, that grip to the road that you would have had if you left it in 2wd. Once you break static friction your traction decreases. I doubt anywhere in the manual it states to use 4wd for turning on wet roads. You're way more likely to understeer on a wet road using 4wd than you are 2wd.

It's the same reason you shouldn't drive on dry pavement in 4wd, because when you turn, it induces bind. Why can you use 4wd offroad? Because the loose ground allows the inner tire to SLIP. On wet roads where it is slippery, you won't get the bind, you'll allow the tire to SLIP and not bind. The instant you have SLIP, you have less traction.

On loose offroad conditions or in deep snow or on ice where you're slipping anyway, when all you've got is kinetic friction anyway, yes 4wd helps you track. On wet roads where you would have static friction, 4wd does nothing for you turning.

And also roads are the most dangerous after a rain just starts until the oils and debris are washed off the roads. It can be a light mist and they can be very slick. After it's rained for a while, it can be terrential downpours, and the road won't be any more slippery than a light rain.

But again, if you feel you need 4wd to be able to drive on wet roads, by all means, do what you think you need to do to handle an automobile. For everyone else with simple driving skills, there's absolutely no need to run 4wd in the rain, other than it helps you compensate for something else that even the almighty raptor itself must not be sufficient at when it's in 2wd mode LOL
 

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Here is why part time 4WD should not be used on pavement:

"If you own a vehicle with part time 4WD the need for different rpm front and rear represents a major problem. The transfer case will power the front and rear drive shafts with same rpm and is not able to satisfy the front axle's need for more rpm. Remember, the combined rpm of front wheels (A+B) is higher than the combined rpm of the rear wheels (C+D). Only full time 4WD systems are able to negotiate the needs of front and rear.
So, with part time 4WD engaged your front wheels are forced by good traction on the ground to rotate faster than the rear - but since the front drive shaft delivers only the same rpm as to the rear there is a fight between front wheels and rotational force coming from the front drive shaft. The front drive shaft in effect tries to slow down the front wheels. This results in very wide turns (understeer) and dangerous handling on pavement.

The name "part time" derives from its use. It can only be used part of the time - most of the time (for most uses) it has to remain in 2WD. Only "full time" - notice the name - can be used full time for all uses.

The fight between front wheels and transfer case also makes 4WD performance suffer - in a turn the front wheels are not pulling like they should. They are in effect hindered by the front drive shaft.

The slowing effect caused by front wheels stresses all components between wheels and the transfer case. It causes mechanical components to bind instead of moving freely - this situation is called "axle binding" ,"driveline binding" or "driveline wind up". First indicators while driving is a hard steering feel and the vehicle displaying jerky movement. Shifting back to 2WD will become impossible (gears and levers are extremely forced together). Continued 4WD use on dry surfaces will cause the weakest links to break (U-Joints, axles, differential gears, transfer case gears and chains, bearings, drive shafts).

When starting from a standstill with sharply turned wheels: The need for higher rpm in the front will most likely prevent you from getting started at all. If you step on the gas really hard (plus slipping your clutch) you might get the vehicle moving with spinning rear wheels but stress on all driveline components will be dangerously high. Chance is that you will break something.

When traveling with part time 4WD on high traction surfaces like asphalt, concrete, etc. handling of the vehicle will become unsafe (understeer) and the "driveline binding" will eventually cause component failures. Part time 4WD should not be used on high traction surfaces! Even when going straight most of the time, slight differences in tire pressure front to rear or vehicle load resulting in different axle speeds will cause "wind up" and eventually damage.

When traveling with part time 4WD on low traction surfaces like sand, gravel, mud, snow, etc. handling of the vehicle is unsafe (understeer) as well, but not as severe as on pavement. The slowed down front wheels simply skid a little on gravel, sand, snow, etc. during a turn. This in mind you should always approach difficult off-road obstacles in a straight line otherwise you might lose some of the much needed traction due to wheel slip on your front wheels.

Do not listen to guys who tell you it is OK to use part time 4WD on pavement! Severe damage will be the result.

Here is another important fact: Since front and rear axles are not able to rotate independently ABS will not work properly."


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http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/def_turnpart.html
 

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I am sure 4wd drive messes up your tires on dry pavement. I had a Jeep chrookee brand new, somewhere around late 90's and they had this option in there it was called shift on the fly to 4wd. You had to be moving to use it. You could shift from 2 to 4 and then back again.

So I tried it to see if it would work, and it did work but it got stuck in 4wd and it was at night and I was 80 miles from home. So I drove home in 4wd and next moring brought it to the dealer.

They had to replace all 4 tires because of it getting stuck.
 

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Here is why part time 4WD should not be used on pavement:

"...... This results in very wide turns (understeer) and dangerous handling on pavement.

...The fight between front wheels and transfer case also makes 4WD performance suffer - in a turn the front wheels are not pulling like they should......

...When traveling with part time 4WD on high traction surfaces like asphalt, concrete, etc. handling of the vehicle will become unsafe (understeer)....


When traveling with part time 4WD on low traction surfaces like sand, gravel, mud, snow, etc. handling of the vehicle is unsafe (understeer) as well, but not as severe as on pavement. The slowed down front wheels simply skid a little on gravel, sand, snow, etc. during a turn. This in mind you should always approach difficult off-road obstacles in a straight line otherwise you might lose some of the much needed traction due to wheel slip on your front wheels......

Gobs of information, yet some still want to argue that 4wd improves turning handling on wet roads :jester: Yup there won't be as much wear on your vehicle because the inside tire won't bind, it will slip on a slippery road, but your handling goes to chit compared to 2wd on wet roads where no front tires are slipping, and there's no understeer like there is trying to turn in 4wd.

So all these vids of ppl making driving fast and jumping in dirt roads are using 2wd?

Did you even read any of the posts? We go from discussion on using 4wd on wet roads, to 2wd on dirt? :shrug:

If you want to drive on the street in 4wd, trade in your Raptor and get one of those cute utes... Lol

-Greg

:rotflmao: :jester: :drunk: :birgits_tiredcoffee :hmm:
 

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So all these vids of ppl making driving fast and jumping in dirt roads are using 2wd?

I remember some one told me NO 4wd when jumping?



Could be in 2WD, sure. Or they could be in 4WD (hi).

Never heard anyone say "no 4wd when jumping" - where'd you hear that?
 

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For pre running, i use 2wd only.
Mud, snow, ice ect ect ect water ect ect ... 4wd...

with a 3.5 ton truck all you need is 2wd and enough momentum and you can go through anything!

That's the key word. Momentum. Used to live in pa. Always wheeled in the snow and mud in 2 wheel. See how far we could go till we had to switch to 4. What a blast. Can't wait till the snowball.



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