Gen 2 Blown Motor: Advice

[Tyler_GTS]

Hi Guys,

I’m looking to possibly get some advice on how to proceed with my Gen 2 issue.

It had some serious engine knock along with the low oil pressure light. Took it in, and the dealer says it’s Rod Knock and they’ve ordered a completely new engine.

I had 20k miles.

However, I’m not sure how I feel about the dealer slapping a new long block in there and just assuming it will go smoothly. That’s a super involved process and I’m worried that I’ll be in store for months of little issues that come along with a new motor (electical, etc).

My question is how would y’all feel in this spot? Should I push for trading the raptor back in? Or am I being too concerned over a new motor and just be content...

My gut feeling is I’d like a new truck. Either a used one or build a 19. But I also don’t think the dealer is gonna work with me on that. I’m sure they are just going to want to follow procedure for engine replacement.

Thanks for any advice-This forum has been really helpful.

 

[pierceography]

What can the dealer offer in trade? I'm sure they'd work with you on that. There's little procedural difference between trading in a vehicle they're working on versus one you drive up in.

If new truck minus trade in equals a number you're comfortable with, go for it.

And I don't blame you for being uneasy about a new engine. I'm always apprehensive about massive rework on any vehicle.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

What can the dealer offer in trade? I'm sure they'd work with you on that. There's little procedural difference between trading in a vehicle they're working on versus one you drive up in.

If new truck minus trade in equals a number you're comfortable with, go for it.

And I don't blame you for being uneasy about a new engine. I'm always apprehensive about massive rework on any vehicle.

I haven’t gotten that far, as to what they’d work on a trade. I guess I just wanted to see what other’s thoughts were before I started down that road.

Appreciate the advice. I’m heading to the dealer tomorrow morning to talk and for my loaner. They’ve got a couple new/used on the lot but nothing spec’d like I want (orange interior).

I’ll update then.

 

[Quaesta]

What was the cause?

 

[pierceography]

I haven’t gotten that far, as to what they’d work on a trade. I guess I just wanted to see what other’s thoughts were before I started down that road.

Appreciate the advice. I’m heading to the dealer tomorrow morning to talk and for my loaner. They’ve got a couple new/used on the lot but nothing spec’d like I want (orange interior).

I’ll update then.

Certainly doesn't hurt to ask, and obviously don't come across as overly interested, as they'll low-ball you otherwise.

And you're probably aware, but the '19s don't come with the orange interior anymore. I was a bit bummed, because that was on the top of my order list. The blue isn't bad though.

Oh, and as Quaesta asked, do you know the cause of the blown engine?

 

[Tyler_GTS]

They haven’t really told me a cause. Just that it’s Rod Knock and they’ve ordered a new motor from Ford.

I kinda knew going into it that it was a bad motor. The knock that it had and the low oil pressure, it wasn’t going to end well.

The truck was perfect until then-not one single issue.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Certainly doesn't hurt to ask, and obviously don't come across as overly interested, as they'll low-ball you otherwise.

And you're probably aware, but the '19s don't come with the orange interior anymore. I was a bit bummed, because that was on the top of my order list. The blue isn't bad though.

Oh, and as Quaesta asked, do you know the cause of the blown engine?

If I did the 19’ I’d definitely do the blue interior. But your right, kinda bummed there no orange.

 

[realjones88]

I would let them replace the engine and move on. You are getting a new zero mile engine covered under warranty for free (I assume). They aren't going to let you drive a new 19 off without paying the difference anyway. If you want to pay up for a 19 sure you can ask, but I wouldn't expect much.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

I would let them replace the engine and move on. You are getting a new zero mile engine covered under warranty for free (I assume). They aren't going to let you drive a new 19 off without paying the difference anyway. If you want to pay up for a 19 sure you can ask, but I wouldn't expect much.

That’s definitely one way to look at getting a new motor.

I don’t expect any special treatment on a 2019, but maybe just a KBB offer and I’d only owe a few thousand for a new one? I’m really not sure, that’s kinda why I’m just trying to layout options.

 

[BajaLaz]

If it’s a ‘17 your looking around 58k for it. So you’ll be putting in 10k for a new one.

 

[Frank N]

I'd ask Ford for an extended warranty to a 100k miles for cheap and roll with it.

Things do go wrong, it sucks, but failed motors is not the norm.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Thanks for the advice. Heading to the dealer now to look at numbers on a new and see what they’d give me on a trade.

I’m leaning towards a different truck-either another used or a new build. But I’m not going to spend a ton to get there.

I’ll let you know what the dealer says. So far they’ve been pretty accommodating.

 

[Daxton]

Thanks for the advice. Heading to the dealer now to look at numbers on a new and see what they’d give me on a trade.

I’m leaning towards a different truck-either another used or a new build. But I’m not going to spend a ton to get there.

I’ll let you know what the dealer says. So far they’ve been pretty accommodating.

I am in similar situation with transmission. My current ‘18 was 72k sticker paid. 5500 miles. their first pass was to give me 66k on trade for a ‘19 they have on order. Sticker on ‘19 is 75k. I laughed and left. Same dealer I bought from and is now 40+ days in trying to fix it.
I will make another pass it, if and when they get mine running.

Love to hear what your offer is.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

I am in similar situation with transmission. My current ‘18 was 72k sticker paid. 5500 miles. their first pass was to give me 66k on trade for a ‘19 they have on order. Sticker on ‘19 is 75k. I laughed and left. Same dealer I bought from and is now 40+ days in trying to fix it.
I will make another pass it, if and when they get mine running.

Love to hear what your offer is.

Jeez, you’d think they’d be more helpful with all the trouble you’ve had with a truck they sold you.

I’ll let you know what they offer.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Update: now they are telling me depending on where the problems are, they may just replace the short block.

They’ve got a blue 18 on the lot with all my options except the orange accents.

 

[smurfslayer]

I’d ride it out and get the repair done. Right now, you’re negotiating from a position of weakness. Once the repair is complete, reassess.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

I’d ride it out and get the repair done. Right now, you’re negotiating from a position of weakness. Once the repair is complete, reassess.

True, the only thing I worry about is the ‘depreciation’ my truck with a new motor.

I guess a case can be made either way; positive or negative. But I know if I was buying a truck with a new motor and they couldn’t tell me why the motor blew in the first place, I’d be hesitant.

 

[rook247]

I second having them extend your warranty. My parents had a block replaced on an ecodiesel, everything went fine with that, but a few years later various seals and stuff that had to be replaced on the new block have been leaking and going bad. They're a few thousand dollars in repairs that I think came from having the block replaced.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Looks like I’m just getting the repair.

They are asking for 14k in addition to get an 18 they have on the lot. Which is ridiculous.

 

[raisins]

I second having them extend your warranty. My parents had a block replaced on an ecodiesel, everything went fine with that, but a few years later various seals and stuff that had to be replaced on the new block have been leaking and going bad. They're a few thousand dollars in repairs that I think came from having the block replaced.

+1 to this, OP. Try to call Ford customer relations and explain what's going on. That's what I did when I had my truck for 800 miles and it needed a new longblock. They tried to offer me an extended warranty for 100k miles, but I had that factored into the deal when I was buying it. Except, on Ford's end they couldn't see the warranty (paperwork error which is sorted now) so they made a month payment since it was in the shop for about 32 days. I bought mine as a '17 CPO with 7,193 miles and at 8,100 miles it needed a new block - frustrating since I had traded in my Gen 1 due to a rear diff on it's way out along with another list of issues and it was 2 weeks out of warranty. Ford couldn't tell me why it needed a new motor, besides that another Gen 2 was in for the same issues and both motors were being replaced. On the notes once I got the truck back, it stated that there was an oil leak from the passenger side of the engine, a piston skirt was cracked and metal shavings in the oil. I absolutely love the truck, just frustrating for the time I've been out of a truck without a loaner and no real answers.