2019 DEPRECIATION

4rdFan said:

Bit too high on the number of Raptors made per year. Ford makes just under 30k Raptors per year.

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OK. Thank you. I was not 100 percent sure. Still way to high.

ME120 said:

Yep. The plant in Japan where the LX 570 and The Landcruiser are produced is legendary and those 2 vehicles are produced with a 25 year life guarantee. Imagine that. The big difference is that the big 3 only care about volume, where as the toyota and lexus vehicles do not leave the production line until they are 100 percent right. If not right the first time, the vehicle section/part is not accepted by Quality control and it is done over.

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What disturbing to me from an engineering stand point, is why this cam phase problem hasn't been resolved. Its unbelievable this is still a problem model years later. Maybe Ford is interested in knowing the dealers will get warranty work, who knows????

ME120 said:

OK. Thank you. I was not 100 percent sure. Still way to high.

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Way to high according to what, you’re expertise? The gen 1 wasn’t a limited production vehicle either. Ford ramped up production every year, including the last year, making over 22k in 2014. Over 77k gen 1s were made. Over a 5 year production period, it averaged out to nearly 15.5k being built per year.

The Gen 2 is averaging out around 28k a year and 2020 will likely be the last year of the gen 2 with a revamped (not refreshed) F150 expected next year. So, the gen 2 should end with approx 115k produced vs gen 1 at over 77k.

Overall, not a big deal on a vehicle that was never limited production, including the first gen. Although, when compared to the regular F150 and other half tons in the market, it is limited in production.

If you were looking for a truly limited production vehicle, you brought wrong and that’s true for gen 1 and 2.

All said, the Gen 2 is currently holding value better than any newer half ton on the market, about 14% depreciation.

Sorry you “feel” different and can’t accept the facts as they are.

Tundras are still available for the taking. Additional plus for you is, they are somewhat limited in production because no one is buying them. Just be prepared for a larger hit in depreciation.

Strange, just ran KBB trade in and it is $57,596 (I paid 56k new) for my 800A. edmunds is 49k trade in, I figure true trade in is probably somewhere in between which is outstanding in my opinion and this is coming from a wrangler.

Don't care about depreciation, but traded my first 2019 last month (with 5200 miles) for a new 2019 (for $8K off sticker). They gave me $62K on that trade. That is solid.

If you can't afford depreciation you can't afford the truck.

The dealer I work with on Ford trucks just slashed their trade in values on 19’s. They offered $58 for my 19 802a screw-all options except carbon, with 15k miles. He said would have been higher just last month.

gtbguy said:

You nailed it on this one, 7+ year car loans are exactly what the car dealers just love. Trained sales people are really good at finding buyers for these loans. I haven't had a car loan in over 23 years and I couldn't even imagine paying $1,000+ per month for a frickin' car/truck.

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Money is cheap if your credit is good. While I could have paid the toll upfront and it's fun to brag about, 3% is cheap money, and I'll gladly trade $2,000 for keeping that $58k in cash in the bank for 6 years (I gave them a five figure check).

I didn’t read through all the pages. Had the “economy” been stronger when the gen 1 was in production, would they have seen the same numbers as gen 2? That truck was a tougher sell back then.

Many people were recovering from lost jobs, decreased home equity, poor investment returns, and high gas prices.

TRUEFF said:

The dealer I work with on Ford trucks just slashed their trade in values on 19’s. They offered $58 for my 19 802a screw-all options except carbon, with 15k miles. He said would have been higher just last month.

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Bingo. Pay the man. My 19 with a MSRP of $ 74,500.00 exactly one year ago, that I purchased for $ 70,000.00, now has a KBB trade value of $ 59,000.00. A depreciation drop of 16 percent and $ 11,000.00 in 12 months or $ 1000.00 per month. In my book that is criminal for a truck that is " supposedly" in such high demand. The bottom line is in 2018-2019 ford over produced and got greedy and it KILLED the retain age value on these trucks. For example 2017 raptors held their value much better, I know because a friend of mine owned one for 18 months had 21,000 miles on it and he paid $ 66,000.00 for it new and got $ 59,000.00 for it last year trading up on a 2019. DO THE MATH ! Big difference from 2017 depreciation to the latest and greatest 2019 models thanks to over production and greed. They might want to spend more time thinking about quality, instead of volume- toyota tahara, Japan plant.

On another note the GEN. 1 raptors still hold their value better - SVT vs. Ford Performance.

I'll take 16% depreciation all day long over a 30% drop from a Ram.

Now off to go drive my Raptor and have some fun!