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<blockquote data-quote="PD1744" data-source="post: 1776172" data-attributes="member: 39284"><p>Hmm... Never considered that those guys might be using 4WD, as most big builds you see that start to pull the most travel out of the front end, end up deleting the 4wd and going full pre-runner/trophy truck style eventually anyway. I don't recall any stories of front diffs grenading personally. Axles? Yeah maybe a few. I run 35's on my Toyota with stock gears and axles and zero issues. But yeah, you'd much rather an axle break than a diff. It's just like the upgraded outer TRE discussion. I'd personally much rather replace that than something else in our already over-taxed steering systems.</p><p></p><p>I would love to think that if you gained 2" of travel from the shock that it would be split too, but let's look at the mod rationally. I think from all the information available, it's safe to assume that between all F150's of the past 4 generations that the suspension geometry is relatively the same; meaning A-arm pivots, spindle height, diff-axle-hub relationship. Gen 1 Raptors being a +3.5 variation of this. The difference in the Gen 2 Raptor only being the taller shock bucket so that they could cram a longer shock in there. That's why all the Raptor converted F150's either need to use Gen 1 coilovers or do a bucket or eyelet (Mikra) mod. So that tells us that droop travel is pretty much (safely) optimized for the platform and we can only hope to gain bump by moving the upper mount. At least that's how I'm seeing it.</p><p></p><p>And yes, stuffing tires is definitely already a problem. Had a conversation with Jake last night and he suggested I pull the coil and properly cycle test everything and report my findings. One, I'm way too lazy to do all that, and two anything I come up with would be subjective. Just my tires and wheel offset alone are unique variables. This is why I never try to offer people 'absolutes'. With stock wheels I was able to stuff these baby 37's with minimal issues. With the Rotiforms it's a whole different animal. Adjust accordingly.</p><p></p><p>Any time brother. Hope any of that makes sense <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PD1744, post: 1776172, member: 39284"] Hmm... Never considered that those guys might be using 4WD, as most big builds you see that start to pull the most travel out of the front end, end up deleting the 4wd and going full pre-runner/trophy truck style eventually anyway. I don't recall any stories of front diffs grenading personally. Axles? Yeah maybe a few. I run 35's on my Toyota with stock gears and axles and zero issues. But yeah, you'd much rather an axle break than a diff. It's just like the upgraded outer TRE discussion. I'd personally much rather replace that than something else in our already over-taxed steering systems. I would love to think that if you gained 2" of travel from the shock that it would be split too, but let's look at the mod rationally. I think from all the information available, it's safe to assume that between all F150's of the past 4 generations that the suspension geometry is relatively the same; meaning A-arm pivots, spindle height, diff-axle-hub relationship. Gen 1 Raptors being a +3.5 variation of this. The difference in the Gen 2 Raptor only being the taller shock bucket so that they could cram a longer shock in there. That's why all the Raptor converted F150's either need to use Gen 1 coilovers or do a bucket or eyelet (Mikra) mod. So that tells us that droop travel is pretty much (safely) optimized for the platform and we can only hope to gain bump by moving the upper mount. At least that's how I'm seeing it. And yes, stuffing tires is definitely already a problem. Had a conversation with Jake last night and he suggested I pull the coil and properly cycle test everything and report my findings. One, I'm way too lazy to do all that, and two anything I come up with would be subjective. Just my tires and wheel offset alone are unique variables. This is why I never try to offer people 'absolutes'. With stock wheels I was able to stuff these baby 37's with minimal issues. With the Rotiforms it's a whole different animal. Adjust accordingly. Any time brother. Hope any of that makes sense ;) [/QUOTE]
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