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<blockquote data-quote="flynford" data-source="post: 1589716" data-attributes="member: 4345"><p>I recall reading what a Ford Engineer initially stated how they minimized axel wrap with Traction-control/ABS. The very act of braking/accelerating long before tires begin to lock-up the action of axel torqueing/wrapping is already happening. The transition from driven/coasting to braking, off/on throttle, braking, and etc. you'll see how the axel is doing it's thing. OEM setup with the silly Ford block most certainly enables the wrap, Deaver/like multi-leaf spring helps 'minimize' this wrap by a large degree. Some folks opt for leaf-under to take it even further to minimize this wrap and get the gains of improved pinion angles and some other benefits.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyway, to each their own. I checked out the KHC torque and its interesting and reminds me of the Toyota torque arms. That works rather well. The only thing I didn't quite like on the KHC kit is that it's bolt-on kit on the axle housing and that you now have more thing to maintain with greasing the sliding yoke (Needs a boot in the very least). Welding on Cast Iron is certainly a skill that cannot be found everywhere. So welding on the frame is much easier affair with the minor inconvenience of loosening the tank a smidge to get in where you need to weld in the bracket on the Raptor. No tank drop required. An added benefit of not using the Rogue/RPG kit is that you help keep your front spring wrap from pulling apart too. Having that little shackle doesn't provide any support in that regard.</p><p></p><p>All-good in the Raptor hood, everyone has their own goals and measure of goodness. All these products are great products in their own right. I've learned a lot over the years and coming from Mid-80s Toyota world and remember how some folks took various routes to achieve their goals of goodness. Some which would always provide entertainment for my commute to see the folks who used blocks on not only Toyotas but anything with rear leaf springs and using 4"+ blocks. Seeing how the axel would torque/wrap every time they would accelerate from a stop and then braking again in stop & go traffic. This is certainly a larger degree of axel wrap that I'm mentioning and with the good discussions on various trackbar kits/springs/etc. are just various degrees of containing that axel wrap action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="flynford, post: 1589716, member: 4345"] I recall reading what a Ford Engineer initially stated how they minimized axel wrap with Traction-control/ABS. The very act of braking/accelerating long before tires begin to lock-up the action of axel torqueing/wrapping is already happening. The transition from driven/coasting to braking, off/on throttle, braking, and etc. you'll see how the axel is doing it's thing. OEM setup with the silly Ford block most certainly enables the wrap, Deaver/like multi-leaf spring helps 'minimize' this wrap by a large degree. Some folks opt for leaf-under to take it even further to minimize this wrap and get the gains of improved pinion angles and some other benefits. Anyway, to each their own. I checked out the KHC torque and its interesting and reminds me of the Toyota torque arms. That works rather well. The only thing I didn't quite like on the KHC kit is that it's bolt-on kit on the axle housing and that you now have more thing to maintain with greasing the sliding yoke (Needs a boot in the very least). Welding on Cast Iron is certainly a skill that cannot be found everywhere. So welding on the frame is much easier affair with the minor inconvenience of loosening the tank a smidge to get in where you need to weld in the bracket on the Raptor. No tank drop required. An added benefit of not using the Rogue/RPG kit is that you help keep your front spring wrap from pulling apart too. Having that little shackle doesn't provide any support in that regard. All-good in the Raptor hood, everyone has their own goals and measure of goodness. All these products are great products in their own right. I've learned a lot over the years and coming from Mid-80s Toyota world and remember how some folks took various routes to achieve their goals of goodness. Some which would always provide entertainment for my commute to see the folks who used blocks on not only Toyotas but anything with rear leaf springs and using 4"+ blocks. Seeing how the axel would torque/wrap every time they would accelerate from a stop and then braking again in stop & go traffic. This is certainly a larger degree of axel wrap that I'm mentioning and with the good discussions on various trackbar kits/springs/etc. are just various degrees of containing that axel wrap action. [/QUOTE]
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