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<blockquote data-quote="smurfslayer" data-source="post: 1323300" data-attributes="member: 21926"><p>First: Take the engine.</p><p>second: stop talking to Ford, their mechanics, service department etc. about the lemon law.</p><p>third: get video BEFORE you get the repair. keep all your doc. </p><p></p><p>it’s not clear whether you’re going through Ford c/s to replace the truck or not. You won’t get a new truck this easily. Disabuse yourself of this notion now. You will be able to reasonably score either an ESP warranty or a loaner, not both.</p><p></p><p>DO NOT take a loaner. Most lemon laws exclude time that the manufacturer or dealer provides you a loaner. </p><p></p><p>Now I realize you bought the truck and it was symptomatic from day one. Without a video, it’s tough to say what the issue was. if it’s a constant tap, and the dealer agrees it’s not normal there’s likely something out of spec and you’re better off with a new engine than a tear down, head scratching, reassembly, problems still present, disassembly again, more head scratching, reassembly wash, rinse, repeat. You want to be done with the problem. </p><p></p><p>What’s your measurement for success? </p><p>If you have to have a new truck, take the engine, sell the truck OR argue for a guaranteed trade on a new one. There’s not a likely way to use this option and not have to spend a bunch more money.</p><p></p><p>If you are willing to accept the new engine and move on with life, congratulations. You win life. </p><p></p><p>If you need to have a new truck, prepare for a fight. A long fight, a frustrating one and you will not make money. </p><p></p><p>Lemon law suits take from 3-18 months to resolve. They vary state to state but generally allow for a persistent problem or related problems totaling 30 days down ( most use calendar, not business days ) across multiple attempts to repair. Once you file papers - a lawyer is pretty much required - From that day on, you VIN is flagged by the manufacturer as under suit. Every dealer visit requires a full inspection looking for an excuse to void your warranty. You may drive the vehicle from the date you file papers until resolution if it is drivable, but some states require a “last chance” to make the customer happy with the vehicle. You may, or may not need an expert witness, Ford has them on retainer as well as legal staff. </p><p></p><p>After several months of silence, the manufacturer will either offer non binding arbitration and / or a last chance repair. You need a witness for the last chance repair. You need eyes on the vehicle the whole time. My lawyer had to shoo away onlookers who had no business around my lemon at the “last chance” repair effort. They had the regional manager there, quizzing the mechanic on everything he did, and if he thought the truck was being abused - after 10 minutes of this, the mech. told the guy bluntly to **** and let him work, then told the service manager got get the regional guy out of the bay or he wouldn’t work. I can’t prove it, but I know they were in my truck before the repair and my lawyer did too because we rigged the doors to show it. he noted that, and questioned the service manager who offered no comment in a very guilty sounding tone. This is how adversarial it gets.</p><p></p><p>After this stuff is done, the manufacturer gets a report from the regional guy and their counsel, who are also there for the last chance repair. If the repair went your way or was marginal, you get an offer to replace the vehicle. if it’s cut and dry, they offer a replacement or money. If they offer money, they know their goose is likely cooked in court. It’s never guaranteed mind you, but it’s a clue. If they don’t respond or want to go to trial, you’re f***cked. They know something.</p><p></p><p>if you get a replacement offer you can negotiate. make sure to cover expenses, legal fees and any mods.</p><p></p><p>NOW, if you can negotiate a buy back via Ford c/s, you can avoid all this drama but as I said, I think that’s a reach given how little time and mileage on the truck. Not impossible, but unlikely. </p><p></p><p>If it were me, I would continue to be hard nosed about a new truck but would fall back to a Ford provided and paid for, full term, maximum mileage and duration ESP. </p><p></p><p>Good luck !</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smurfslayer, post: 1323300, member: 21926"] First: Take the engine. second: stop talking to Ford, their mechanics, service department etc. about the lemon law. third: get video BEFORE you get the repair. keep all your doc. it’s not clear whether you’re going through Ford c/s to replace the truck or not. You won’t get a new truck this easily. Disabuse yourself of this notion now. You will be able to reasonably score either an ESP warranty or a loaner, not both. DO NOT take a loaner. Most lemon laws exclude time that the manufacturer or dealer provides you a loaner. Now I realize you bought the truck and it was symptomatic from day one. Without a video, it’s tough to say what the issue was. if it’s a constant tap, and the dealer agrees it’s not normal there’s likely something out of spec and you’re better off with a new engine than a tear down, head scratching, reassembly, problems still present, disassembly again, more head scratching, reassembly wash, rinse, repeat. You want to be done with the problem. What’s your measurement for success? If you have to have a new truck, take the engine, sell the truck OR argue for a guaranteed trade on a new one. There’s not a likely way to use this option and not have to spend a bunch more money. If you are willing to accept the new engine and move on with life, congratulations. You win life. If you need to have a new truck, prepare for a fight. A long fight, a frustrating one and you will not make money. Lemon law suits take from 3-18 months to resolve. They vary state to state but generally allow for a persistent problem or related problems totaling 30 days down ( most use calendar, not business days ) across multiple attempts to repair. Once you file papers - a lawyer is pretty much required - From that day on, you VIN is flagged by the manufacturer as under suit. Every dealer visit requires a full inspection looking for an excuse to void your warranty. You may drive the vehicle from the date you file papers until resolution if it is drivable, but some states require a “last chance” to make the customer happy with the vehicle. You may, or may not need an expert witness, Ford has them on retainer as well as legal staff. After several months of silence, the manufacturer will either offer non binding arbitration and / or a last chance repair. You need a witness for the last chance repair. You need eyes on the vehicle the whole time. My lawyer had to shoo away onlookers who had no business around my lemon at the “last chance” repair effort. They had the regional manager there, quizzing the mechanic on everything he did, and if he thought the truck was being abused - after 10 minutes of this, the mech. told the guy bluntly to **** and let him work, then told the service manager got get the regional guy out of the bay or he wouldn’t work. I can’t prove it, but I know they were in my truck before the repair and my lawyer did too because we rigged the doors to show it. he noted that, and questioned the service manager who offered no comment in a very guilty sounding tone. This is how adversarial it gets. After this stuff is done, the manufacturer gets a report from the regional guy and their counsel, who are also there for the last chance repair. If the repair went your way or was marginal, you get an offer to replace the vehicle. if it’s cut and dry, they offer a replacement or money. If they offer money, they know their goose is likely cooked in court. It’s never guaranteed mind you, but it’s a clue. If they don’t respond or want to go to trial, you’re f***cked. They know something. if you get a replacement offer you can negotiate. make sure to cover expenses, legal fees and any mods. NOW, if you can negotiate a buy back via Ford c/s, you can avoid all this drama but as I said, I think that’s a reach given how little time and mileage on the truck. Not impossible, but unlikely. If it were me, I would continue to be hard nosed about a new truck but would fall back to a Ford provided and paid for, full term, maximum mileage and duration ESP. Good luck ! [/QUOTE]
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