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<blockquote data-quote="smurfslayer" data-source="post: 1399593" data-attributes="member: 21926"><p>common problem to a mechanic or service advisor or service staff means different things to different people. Even with as many --individual-- people as you have here reporting the failure, it’s less than 1%. add up the -actual- individual, unique reports, discounting the dog piling and you see why. </p><p></p><p>I’m not saying that to make light of the issue, especially to those who have had to endure it, just trying to illustrate why it’s just getting fixed the way it is. </p><p></p><p>- it’s a system, consisting of the phasers, actuators, gears, chains and tensioners.</p><p>- if a part in the system goes south, there’s a chance other parts could be over stressed. Think of it like tendon damage. </p><p>- if the actuators aren’t working, what’s the collateral effects? </p><p>- if the phasers themselves are actually bad, what does that affect? </p><p>can one lead to another component failure? </p><p></p><p>The answer is ... it depends. You may have nothing but bad actuators. Or, you may have had a marginal phaser and a bad actuator and it stretched the timing chain or worse. </p><p></p><p>Or you could have no problem at all with phasers like 99% of the eco boost owners. </p><p></p><p>Common problem to the guy who has to do the actual repair means more to the guy pulling the engine apart than it does to us sitting here on a keyboard complaining about it. </p><p></p><p>It’s not being recalled because it’s not a “safety issue”. The closest thing we’ve seen to a safety issue reported on FRF for the 2017+ is the low oil condition that brings on limp home mode when you floor it. That’s a legit safety issue because you could be injured or killed as a result of the problem. I’m not aware of a cam phaser issue causing limp home mode... maybe there’s been one? anyway, that’s why there’s no recall. It’s still profitable for Ford to fix the errant vehicles under the warranty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smurfslayer, post: 1399593, member: 21926"] common problem to a mechanic or service advisor or service staff means different things to different people. Even with as many --individual-- people as you have here reporting the failure, it’s less than 1%. add up the -actual- individual, unique reports, discounting the dog piling and you see why. I’m not saying that to make light of the issue, especially to those who have had to endure it, just trying to illustrate why it’s just getting fixed the way it is. - it’s a system, consisting of the phasers, actuators, gears, chains and tensioners. - if a part in the system goes south, there’s a chance other parts could be over stressed. Think of it like tendon damage. - if the actuators aren’t working, what’s the collateral effects? - if the phasers themselves are actually bad, what does that affect? can one lead to another component failure? The answer is ... it depends. You may have nothing but bad actuators. Or, you may have had a marginal phaser and a bad actuator and it stretched the timing chain or worse. Or you could have no problem at all with phasers like 99% of the eco boost owners. Common problem to the guy who has to do the actual repair means more to the guy pulling the engine apart than it does to us sitting here on a keyboard complaining about it. It’s not being recalled because it’s not a “safety issue”. The closest thing we’ve seen to a safety issue reported on FRF for the 2017+ is the low oil condition that brings on limp home mode when you floor it. That’s a legit safety issue because you could be injured or killed as a result of the problem. I’m not aware of a cam phaser issue causing limp home mode... maybe there’s been one? anyway, that’s why there’s no recall. It’s still profitable for Ford to fix the errant vehicles under the warranty. [/QUOTE]
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