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<blockquote data-quote="Badgertits" data-source="post: 1516334" data-attributes="member: 31322"><p>I was curious what the responses would be on this endeavor...I don’t see the need for more power/performance in this truck over what a tune & some colder plugs alone Can do. If you are running offroad a lot or live in a consistently hot climate I could see upgrading the intercooler @ some point.</p><p></p><p>stock trim the drivetrain will outrun the suspension offroad, tuned it’ll outrun the brakes on road lol!!</p><p></p><p>I run **** injection on my cammed/blown C5 Z06....& it also most likely doesn’t “increase” power by much more than what the other mods are already doing - but my understanding is that it does allow for the vehicle to make peak power more safely & consistently & helps everything run cooler internally.</p><p></p><p>on my vette setup I’m running straight methanol (VP M1) & it goes into the windshield washer reservoir (have a tiny add-on one for the few times I do need to get the bugs off lol) - anyone who does run ****- my tuner was very adamant about getting quality fuel & no “blends” or additives FWIW - not all brands are created equal, you should be able to find VP Fuels someplace near you- if not Torco brand **** can be purchased in small quantities through amazon.</p><p></p><p>It’s a **** addicts alky control kit comes w/ all the hoses/fittings/fuel pump/wiring/controller/dual nozzle etc I’m guessing a setup like this runs $800-$1000 in parts anyhow (priced into an entire SC build in my case)</p><p></p><p>Like I said - **** isn’t just about making power, it’s particularly relevant in booster applications b/c Injecting into the inlet tube it can help reduce IATs BIG TIME - like over 50-80% cooler (which on a forum w/ people obsessed w/ intercooler upgrades & running offroad in desert is probably worth noting)</p><p></p><p>also of note- it’s a great cleaner (don’t spill on paint, if u do don’t wipe it - immediately dump water on it) - all the catch cans in the world aren’t gonna spit shine the guts of an engine like consistent **** injection will. </p><p></p><p>also acts like an octane booster prevents pre-detonation/knock/pinging etc.</p><p></p><p>I don’t know much bout running E85 for performance other than it is difficult to get where I live in MA- however in my 2014 GMC Sierra w/ 5.3 V8 it had a pre-load tune from factory to run on E85 & take advantage of it too- while I’m sure nothing like E85 w/ custom tune, after guzzlin a 1/2 tank or so & fully adjusting the 5.3 would be making like 90% of the HP & equal TQ to the 6.2 or something along those lines. Bumped it up good- but also fuel economy dropped by bout 20% lol</p><p></p><p>Alternatively it’s hard to say how much worse “fuel economy” In 650whp vette was damaged by **** hahaha, but the **** tank seems to drop in tandem w/ Gas tank Under normal conditions but the more wot driving you do the quicker you’ll burn through it. </p><p></p><p>as for the cooling effects of **** I’ll leave ya w/ this- went back/forth w/ my tuner/builder On how I wanted to proceed w/ vette build (stroke 350 to 383 & go all forged internals & heads, swap for an LS7 w/ donkey **** cam, turbo, pro charger vs A&A etc) & basically when it came to supercharging/FI he told me if there was any chance I’d wind up running it on track (particularly autocross not dragstrip) then go w/ **** injection </p><p></p><p>truck is my DD tho I wouldn’t even consider doing any of this stuff to it BUT if I were? </p><p></p><p>First thing I’d want to find out once & for all- WHAT, if any, engine parts are shared w/ the Ford GT? I have read that the crank, connecting rods, pistons were all same & forged- but the GT has all kinds of other truck stuff oiling system, cylinder walls, lighter valves, cam profiles, bigger turbos, fuel system etc all GT specific. I ask that b/c I think should be a determining factor in how to proceed making reliably bigger power on these trucks.</p><p></p><p>if it does have forged crank/connecting rods I’d probably go w/ upgraded turbos.....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Badgertits, post: 1516334, member: 31322"] I was curious what the responses would be on this endeavor...I don’t see the need for more power/performance in this truck over what a tune & some colder plugs alone Can do. If you are running offroad a lot or live in a consistently hot climate I could see upgrading the intercooler @ some point. stock trim the drivetrain will outrun the suspension offroad, tuned it’ll outrun the brakes on road lol!! I run **** injection on my cammed/blown C5 Z06....& it also most likely doesn’t “increase” power by much more than what the other mods are already doing - but my understanding is that it does allow for the vehicle to make peak power more safely & consistently & helps everything run cooler internally. on my vette setup I’m running straight methanol (VP M1) & it goes into the windshield washer reservoir (have a tiny add-on one for the few times I do need to get the bugs off lol) - anyone who does run ****- my tuner was very adamant about getting quality fuel & no “blends” or additives FWIW - not all brands are created equal, you should be able to find VP Fuels someplace near you- if not Torco brand **** can be purchased in small quantities through amazon. It’s a **** addicts alky control kit comes w/ all the hoses/fittings/fuel pump/wiring/controller/dual nozzle etc I’m guessing a setup like this runs $800-$1000 in parts anyhow (priced into an entire SC build in my case) Like I said - **** isn’t just about making power, it’s particularly relevant in booster applications b/c Injecting into the inlet tube it can help reduce IATs BIG TIME - like over 50-80% cooler (which on a forum w/ people obsessed w/ intercooler upgrades & running offroad in desert is probably worth noting) also of note- it’s a great cleaner (don’t spill on paint, if u do don’t wipe it - immediately dump water on it) - all the catch cans in the world aren’t gonna spit shine the guts of an engine like consistent **** injection will. also acts like an octane booster prevents pre-detonation/knock/pinging etc. I don’t know much bout running E85 for performance other than it is difficult to get where I live in MA- however in my 2014 GMC Sierra w/ 5.3 V8 it had a pre-load tune from factory to run on E85 & take advantage of it too- while I’m sure nothing like E85 w/ custom tune, after guzzlin a 1/2 tank or so & fully adjusting the 5.3 would be making like 90% of the HP & equal TQ to the 6.2 or something along those lines. Bumped it up good- but also fuel economy dropped by bout 20% lol Alternatively it’s hard to say how much worse “fuel economy” In 650whp vette was damaged by **** hahaha, but the **** tank seems to drop in tandem w/ Gas tank Under normal conditions but the more wot driving you do the quicker you’ll burn through it. as for the cooling effects of **** I’ll leave ya w/ this- went back/forth w/ my tuner/builder On how I wanted to proceed w/ vette build (stroke 350 to 383 & go all forged internals & heads, swap for an LS7 w/ donkey **** cam, turbo, pro charger vs A&A etc) & basically when it came to supercharging/FI he told me if there was any chance I’d wind up running it on track (particularly autocross not dragstrip) then go w/ **** injection truck is my DD tho I wouldn’t even consider doing any of this stuff to it BUT if I were? First thing I’d want to find out once & for all- WHAT, if any, engine parts are shared w/ the Ford GT? I have read that the crank, connecting rods, pistons were all same & forged- but the GT has all kinds of other truck stuff oiling system, cylinder walls, lighter valves, cam profiles, bigger turbos, fuel system etc all GT specific. I ask that b/c I think should be a determining factor in how to proceed making reliably bigger power on these trucks. if it does have forged crank/connecting rods I’d probably go w/ upgraded turbos..... [/QUOTE]
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