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<blockquote data-quote="Badgertits" data-source="post: 1435860" data-attributes="member: 31322"><p>Sure that's possible, & I guess for the guys I've spoken to who actively do this the types of cars they're modding that wouldn't necessarily raise an eyebrow - I'm talking AMG 63s & M6s etc. BUT the facts are the facts & a dealer can be suspicious all they want but if nothing is physically there to point at (as is the case w/ turbo adpaters, downpipes, catch cans, CAI's, FMIC's etc.) AND there's nothing to prove in the ignition cycles/data logging of the original ECM - they're not gonna bother fighting that battle IMO.</p><p></p><p>EIther way, FWIW, I have a Gearhead tune & a 100k b2b warranty....I'm less concerned about powertrain though as I am about dumb stuff like: water leaks, infotainment system, IWE system, lighting, pano roof, etc. etc. etc. One of the most common "engine issues" you're going to hear about on these trucks is cam phaser rattle. #1 its not like it immobilizes the truck instantly - guys have driven thousands of miles & months after hearing it & having it diagnosed & even warrantied by dealer waiting on parts - if you're super paranoid you could be driving for months on end WITH the issue on a stock tune building up plenty of history in the ECM, #2 that being said - on all the forums I researched before buying a Raptor (& I did a lot - I'd been mostly a GM lifer prior to this) & owners I've personally spoken to @ car shows & tuners/engine builders too - I have not seen ONE INSTANCE of a cam phaser/engine issue being denied warranty work for a tune. I'm just being honest - that's what I've found. I also don't think the cam phaser issue is as prevalent/serious as its made out to be by the unfortunate forum members who log on to complain or the trolls that do so for the hell of it. And even if it is one of the more "common" engine issues effecting the HO 3.5 EB - my opinion is then the dealers are accustomed to handling the repairs/warranty claims & just go through the motions getting it diagnosed & serviced moving on to the next one. Its "lazier" to just automatically attribute the issue to the most common problem they see rather than put in more work/effort trouble shooting what else could possibly be causing it - sometimes that's a bad thing like w/ my last GM truck guys were having TSB's done for driveshaft rebalancing when they actually needed a torque converter or vice versa just cuz the dealers wanted to push the repairs through seeing too much of the same thing. </p><p></p><p>Also my personal experience (albeit not w/ Ford) has been that all the vehicles I've ever owned under warranty that were also tuned/modded & needed warranty related repairs I never had a problem. Did I tune back to stock when I did? Yes of course, but only if I had an engine/tranny related issue. This applies to a GTO, G8 GT, 1 silverado, 2 Sierras, & an S4</p><p></p><p>If I have an engine/drivetrain problem I want the dealer to check out I'll flash to stock & not be the least bit concerned. Other than stuff like a stubby antenna, snow tires, tool box, mudflaps, fog lights etc. my truck looks/sounds stock. I replace the air filter w/ a motorcraft lol. There is no massive FMIC poking through the grill, no loud ass raspy exhaust, no woooosshy BOVs, no CEL throwing hole drillin tube running Catch can, no useless code throwin CAI, no downpipes, no upgraded TB, none of that stuff. IMHO that is the kinda stuff that serves as a "red flag" if the dealer DOES wanna mess w/ you or if they've got pressure from Ford corporate to vet out warranty claims more in depth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Badgertits, post: 1435860, member: 31322"] Sure that's possible, & I guess for the guys I've spoken to who actively do this the types of cars they're modding that wouldn't necessarily raise an eyebrow - I'm talking AMG 63s & M6s etc. BUT the facts are the facts & a dealer can be suspicious all they want but if nothing is physically there to point at (as is the case w/ turbo adpaters, downpipes, catch cans, CAI's, FMIC's etc.) AND there's nothing to prove in the ignition cycles/data logging of the original ECM - they're not gonna bother fighting that battle IMO. EIther way, FWIW, I have a Gearhead tune & a 100k b2b warranty....I'm less concerned about powertrain though as I am about dumb stuff like: water leaks, infotainment system, IWE system, lighting, pano roof, etc. etc. etc. One of the most common "engine issues" you're going to hear about on these trucks is cam phaser rattle. #1 its not like it immobilizes the truck instantly - guys have driven thousands of miles & months after hearing it & having it diagnosed & even warrantied by dealer waiting on parts - if you're super paranoid you could be driving for months on end WITH the issue on a stock tune building up plenty of history in the ECM, #2 that being said - on all the forums I researched before buying a Raptor (& I did a lot - I'd been mostly a GM lifer prior to this) & owners I've personally spoken to @ car shows & tuners/engine builders too - I have not seen ONE INSTANCE of a cam phaser/engine issue being denied warranty work for a tune. I'm just being honest - that's what I've found. I also don't think the cam phaser issue is as prevalent/serious as its made out to be by the unfortunate forum members who log on to complain or the trolls that do so for the hell of it. And even if it is one of the more "common" engine issues effecting the HO 3.5 EB - my opinion is then the dealers are accustomed to handling the repairs/warranty claims & just go through the motions getting it diagnosed & serviced moving on to the next one. Its "lazier" to just automatically attribute the issue to the most common problem they see rather than put in more work/effort trouble shooting what else could possibly be causing it - sometimes that's a bad thing like w/ my last GM truck guys were having TSB's done for driveshaft rebalancing when they actually needed a torque converter or vice versa just cuz the dealers wanted to push the repairs through seeing too much of the same thing. Also my personal experience (albeit not w/ Ford) has been that all the vehicles I've ever owned under warranty that were also tuned/modded & needed warranty related repairs I never had a problem. Did I tune back to stock when I did? Yes of course, but only if I had an engine/tranny related issue. This applies to a GTO, G8 GT, 1 silverado, 2 Sierras, & an S4 If I have an engine/drivetrain problem I want the dealer to check out I'll flash to stock & not be the least bit concerned. Other than stuff like a stubby antenna, snow tires, tool box, mudflaps, fog lights etc. my truck looks/sounds stock. I replace the air filter w/ a motorcraft lol. There is no massive FMIC poking through the grill, no loud ass raspy exhaust, no woooosshy BOVs, no CEL throwing hole drillin tube running Catch can, no useless code throwin CAI, no downpipes, no upgraded TB, none of that stuff. IMHO that is the kinda stuff that serves as a "red flag" if the dealer DOES wanna mess w/ you or if they've got pressure from Ford corporate to vet out warranty claims more in depth. [/QUOTE]
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