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I picked up my '17 about 1200 miles from home... driving home was a great way to get to know my new truck. :)

93 only.

Nope! You never have to shovel the heat... Honestly, all it takes to be reasonably comfortable in the heat is shade, moving air, and cool fluids.

Not my cuppa tea, but options are nice, I s'pose.

Well, that's quite the change in your position, as I recall you earlier talking about flat torque curves and the like. Sure, if it'll make you feel better, I'll give you that the 6.2L makes more power at idle than does the HO EB 3.5L. Congratulations... that achievement is akin to creating...

...once again illustrating your lack of knowledge... "area under the curve" speaks to power/torque from idle to max RPM. In other words, average power throughout the entire RPM range. As you mentioned, facts matter. The facts do not support your position. In regard to the "only when stock"...

I'm feelin' fine... you're the one crying about the fact that your mighty 6.2L has less area under the curve than a tiny little V6. I should tell ya, though, that your tears just serve as fuel for the sarcasm machine.

C'mon, admit it... you're not really this dumb. You can't be. If you were, you'd be licking your monitor instead of posting on this forum. You're doing your best Forrest Gump impersonation right now, aren't you?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpUVb54lk2o ...engine

Nah, no drugs here... I'm high on life. I just enjoy watching you prove over and again just how little you know. It's a great hobby! You should try it sometime.

Nah... it makes more power stock than any NA or non-cammed 6.2L. Apples to apples (in other words, stock to stock), it's a better truck. Again, I'm sorry that the truth hurts your feelings. You'll be okay, though, I'm confident of it.

Then again, you're also happy to state for the record that the Taurus EB and the HO EB in the Raptor are the same engine, so pardon me if I don't lend a lot of credence to anything you have to say.... as for the name calling, I gotta be honest with both you and anyone else reading the thread and...

There ya go... keep putting that ignorance on full display, and pretty soon everyone will know what I already do... that you're just one more kid on the shortbus being hauled around by a 6.2L Ford V8. As for the boat situation, spend a lot of time below about 1500 RPM, do ya? 'cause that's...

There ya go... own it, brotha. As for your assertion that the Taurus motor and the HO EB in the Raptor are the same motor, that's like saying that a Vortec 350 (Chevy) is the same thing as an LS1... same(-ish) displacement at 5.7L, same engine configuration, same manufacturer... when in fact...

...says the guy who has literally a short-bus engine is his truck (check the Ford engine options): https://thomasbuiltbuses.com/school-buses/minotour/

That doesn't mean much, given that the newest of the Gen I's is four model years old. Comparing inventory numbers for an out-of-production vehicle to those for an in-production vehicle is apples and oranges, man.

Yes, a PR truck that outperforms the previous version of its self.

...and they got less truck for their money, which is their right as consumers. V6 or not, the Raptor is in a market segment by its self. In regard to Raptor sales, as a rule, the only stealerships that are having trouble moving them are those asking for massive ADMs.

Plastic pan on mine, and I haven't had a bit of trouble with it. I'll say that there ARE engineering reasons to go with a plastic pan over a metal one... decreasing NVH, and you can be certain that you won't end up with a stripped drain plug or drain hole with that design. That said, there's...

Without getting into the pissing contest, I'll say that I think that it'll be tough to beat the EB Raptor's torque number by too much with an emissions-compliant NA motor. The horsepower number wouldn't be too tough to beat, as all it takes is RPM to do it (if we assume peak power for the 7.0L...

The difference is that when the EB motor was being considered for use, they were re-designing the whole shebang for the 2nd gen. ---------- Post added at 12:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:39 PM ---------- That's kinda my point... I don't know that the TRX would be a threat to...

Holy balls, this again. As has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, if Ford decides that the Raptor needs more power, it's a hell of a lot easier to upgrade the turbos/tune than it is to install/certify a whole different engine. Add in the fact that dealers who price their EB Raptors fairly...

Yeah, yeah... more power, drives great... but what about the sound?? ;-)

"Anti-lag" as implemented on the Raptor wouldn't do anything at all to help in that situation. I'm guessing that your truck is stock and you were in the "Regular" drive mode? Throttle response under those conditions is... shall we say... somewhat casual. Sport mode, a tune, and/or a Pedal...

I'll own it... I'm one of those almost exclusively pavement-bound Raptor owners. Except for when: I make my own exit off the highway due to a traffic jam, or I hop a curb to go around a stalled car, or I don't slow down for the rough railroad tracks/intersections, or... there are all sorts of...

Fair enough, but the point remains... how often does Joe or Jane Public find themselves negotiating? Perhaps twice a decade... once for a car, once for a mattress.