Raptor Sales Alltime Low

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this is such ******** Ford should actually visit that dealership with 12 Raptors and pull their license agreement; but unfortunately its never gonna happen. My dealership did mine and 3 others all at MSRP no markup. Problem is that they can't get them because either they were allocated to other dealers (like the ********* guy with 12) or still being built. I'm actually glad people are not buying the big mark up ones.
 

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What I would like to see Ford do is quit being a bunch of greedy Tuesdays and let us spec the truck how we want. Cloth seats, nav, garage door opener. Why do I have to add a $9K package full of crap that I don't want just to get a garage door opener? If Ford would let people spec the truck and pick and choose some of the options they want there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints about the prices. I want cloth, nav, and the garage door opener along with the beadlocks. To get nav you have to add the 801A at a minimum but then you lose the cloth seats. If you don't get the Nav from the factory its a bit of a pain in the ass to add a decent head unit after the fact and I never upgrade them anyways so I want the NAV which means I can't keep the cloth. To get the garage door opener you then have to add the 802A. Over $9,300 for the 802A and it includes a ton of stuff I don't want or need. It is just really stupid to have to add all of this extra crap to get some really basic stuff that should be included or at least added as an option by itself. Ford being greedy. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are quite the angry man aren't you? You seem to be very entitled thinking that anytime Ford does something that doesn't fit your needs or wants that they are these terribly horrible people. If you don't like it, move along. I'm sure a Toyota dealer would love to hear you complain about Ford all day long.

The reason for this isn't as simple as you make it seem. If you allow every single feature as it's own option it complicates things for the dealer. You might configure one in a way that no one else really wants. What happens if you back out of the order then?
 

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You are quite the angry man aren't you? You seem to be very entitled thinking that anytime Ford does something that doesn't fit your needs or wants that they are these terribly horrible people. If you don't like it, move along. I'm sure a Toyota dealer would love to hear you complain about Ford all day long.

The reason for this isn't as simple as you make it seem. If you allow every single feature as it's own option it complicates things for the dealer. You might configure one in a way that no one else really wants. What happens if you back out of the order then?

Lol. Me angry? Hardly. Adding NAV, a garage door opener, beadlock wheels and cloth seats would be an unpopular order? HAHA. Alright. Until you have actually owned a Raptor your comment is kinda irrelevant..

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this is such ******** Ford should actually visit that dealership with 12 Raptors and pull their license agreement; but unfortunately its never gonna happen. My dealership did mine and 3 others all at MSRP no markup. Problem is that they can't get them because either they were allocated to other dealers (like the ********* guy with 12) or still being built. I'm actually glad people are not buying the big mark up ones.

I would image most of the people willing to pay big money over MSRP have already bought one. The prices will come down eventually. I think most people that want one would pay MSRP so I'm sure if they back off their markup they will sell.
 

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Lol. Me angry? Hardly. Adding NAV, a garage door opener, beadlock wheels and cloth seats would be an unpopular order? HAHA. Alright. Until you have actually owned a Raptor your comment is kinda irrelevant..

You seem pretty angry. And yes that seems like a pretty unpopular config given that 90% of Raptors came with 802A. But more to the point allowing options creates the potential for unpopular configs which dealers aren't going to want to take a chance on.

Also why would you assume I don't own one? That's just weird.
 

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You seem pretty angry. And yes that seems like a pretty unpopular config given that 90% of Raptors came with 802A. But more to the point allowing options creates the potential for unpopular configs which dealers aren't going to want to take a chance on.

Also why would you assume I don't own one? That's just weird.

"You seem pretty angry". Lol. Like all of the little call of duty plebs that think its cool to say "you mad".

You're going on the ignore list. I am not angry. Not in the slightest. But I am not going to overpay for something with a ton of stuff I don't want. Which is exactly what I said. You must be one of those people that over analyzes everyones feelings. 802A is very popular with the trucks that likely won't be used offroad and will be sticking to mall crawler duty. There hasn't been very many guys on the forum buy a 17' yet that are actually going to take the truck out and abuse it day in and day out offroad. More than likely there won't be very many of those trucks with the 802A.
 

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Basil Ford by me has sold 12 I believe. They are NOT selling for $10k over... they have 2 in stock right now I believe. If anyone was serious about buying a truck please let them know, if they give you a hard time, let me know.
Just bought an Explorer there last week, got a great deal and great service.

I, for 1, choose not to buy the truck because I can't stomach the fact that I would be spending anything over $50k on a vehicle. I would love to have the V6, it is a monster.

And, FWIW, is only buy an 802A, and I would beat the snot out of it in comfort. Only way I would be able to justify the price of admission.
 
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What I would like to see Ford do is quit being a bunch of greedy Tuesdays and let us spec the truck how we want. Cloth seats, nav, garage door opener. Why do I have to add a $9K package full of crap that I don't want just to get a garage door opener? If Ford would let people spec the truck and pick and choose some of the options they want there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints about the prices. I want cloth, nav, and the garage door opener along with the beadlocks. To get nav you have to add the 801A at a minimum but then you lose the cloth seats. If you don't get the Nav from the factory its a bit of a pain in the ass to add a decent head unit after the fact and I never upgrade them anyways so I want the NAV which means I can't keep the cloth. To get the garage door opener you then have to add the 802A. Over $9,300 for the 802A and it includes a ton of stuff I don't want or need. It is just really stupid to have to add all of this extra crap to get some really basic stuff that should be included or at least added as an option by itself. Ford being greedy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Trimmell, you’re thinking monochromatically. If you want a decent off road machine with legit cred and no bells and whistles but what you actually want - a garage door opener, spec out an 800A, and get an aftermarket opener.

Ford does not have a corner on the market for technology. I didn’t want the tech package, graphics, bed liner, and I’d have been fine without the moon roof but seeing what you lot had to go through to score a reasonable deal, and not having a wealth of local options out there without ADM, I took the MSRP deal with more options than I wanted. I found a few 801A trucks, but I only found 3 out of 120 in a 100 mile radius of my address less than $60k.

The reality is not what the consumers want it to be; the Raptors sell at Ford’s price points. Greedy dealers do sit on the trucks, but at Ford’s prices point the trucks sell.

I agree with you, $9K for an option package is quite a bit high and I don’t personally like it, but... the market supports it. Cloth seats, bench seats, rear seat delete are ok for non daily drivers, but I’ve had enough cars, trucks and bikes I had to “tough it out” with. I would have chosen fewer options, but the market didn’t really facilitate that, leaving the remaining lesser optioned vehicles for as much money as an 802 because the dealers know they can get away with charging ADM in most of the urban markets.

I wouldn’t classify this as Ford being greedy, so much as I would say it is Ford knowing the market place and knowing what they can reasonably charge. Trucks with 20K ADM are not moving. Trucks at MSRP are moving. We can’t reasonably expect Ford to offer the ’17 at ’14 prices, or even ’14 prices plus inflation and increased COL. They have to amortize research, development, testing, more testing, regulatory compliance, more testing etc.

There are some dealers out there thinking they have more than they do. Some who are shady, less than honorable brokers, and I think greedy may be an accurate description. However there are others out there selling at MSRP or just over and selling trucks like krispy kermes at a cop convention. It’s hard work being a diligent consumer.
 

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"You seem pretty angry". Lol. Like all of the little call of duty plebs that think its cool to say "you mad".

You're going on the ignore list. I am not angry. Not in the slightest. But I am not going to overpay for something with a ton of stuff I don't want. Which is exactly what I said. You must be one of those people that over analyzes everyones feelings. 802A is very popular with the trucks that likely won't be used offroad and will be sticking to mall crawler duty. There hasn't been very many guys on the forum buy a 17' yet that are actually going to take the truck out and abuse it day in and day out offroad. More than likely there won't be very many of those trucks with the 802A.


The 802a is popular, period. You want an unpopular config as demonstrated by actual statistics of what Ford has actually built. I'm not guessing here -- I actually did the math. You want something that Ford does not think is a good idea and then you get all pissy about it. If you're not angry you're arrogant or entitled thinking that Ford should do what you want. You throw this accusation out that Ford is greedy because they are trying to create an offering that has wide appeal that works in the context of a dealer based distribution system. They are a business trying to make smart business decisions. None of us "like" everything they do, but it doesn't make them greedy simply because of that.

I feel bad for the people who wanted the Gen 2 to be something it's not, but these things sometimes happen. I happen to love mine and despite the mind numbing experience it is to deal with most dealers am quite happy with the decisions Ford made with it.
 
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