I love my 14 and its been the best vehicle ive ever had. But.... the market is crazy now and i can almost get what i paid for my 14 , i paid invoice. Im being quoted 2500 under on a 17 and told the sales guy id go for it if he makes it 5000 under. He thinks it might fly. If it does ill do it. Anywayyyyyy i cant hang in the 17 forum. Just cant. The builds there are some of the queerest things ive seen and the new members are suits mainly and probably vegans. Can i please hang here is i buy a 17??????