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<blockquote data-quote="crouton" data-source="post: 1579923" data-attributes="member: 46156"><p>[USER=21926]@smurfslayer[/USER] </p><p>Thank God gas prices aren't <strong>that</strong> high, yet <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>It's more like 5 USD / gal for 95 RON, our lowest grade (about 91 AKI in the U.S.), but I totally get your point. The funny part is, this was a dealer with nothing but trucks. I looked it up and they do Ford trucks, RAM and Toyota mid and fullsize (anything that isn't a Hilux diesel is sold seperately). So really the only V6, aside from Tacoma's, on the lot. I think they genuienly make less money on Raptors or something, but I didn't care too much because at the time I wasn't looking for something new.</p><p></p><p>And you'd actually be surprised how similar cars in Europe are compared to the U.S. Most people getting economy cars are because they make sense in our historically small cities (even though I've never had a problem with my full size truck), and tax. You're taxed based on emission, displacement and efficiency (displacement vs. power output, which is why almost all cars are turbocharged). For a 6.4 Grand Cherokee, you'd pay €10.000 up front to register it, and €3.000 a year. A Renegade - which has been facelifted in Europe - now has a turbo 3 cyl (instead of a turbo 4 cyl) and would be €150 to register and probably about the same annualy. That's a huge difference. It also sounds ridiculous compared to the 2.4 n/a 4 banger in the U.S. (we never got), but performance wise they're pretty similar. And obviously, in real life, their fuel consumption is similar as well, but it only matters they're more 'efficient' on paper.</p><p></p><p>This doesn't count for pick-up trucks where I live. Free registration and about €140 tax, whether it's a 2 cylinder or an SRT10. I'm looking for a truck *now* because it's gonna change soon. They think too many regular people like myself took advantage of the system, getting trucks as family vehicles. So starting February, newly registered trucks will have to pay road tax as well, like cars.</p><p></p><p>And of course, diesel is still very important in Europe. More efficient, higher power density, same price, ... Audi for example sold it's SQ7 (a sport-ish crossover) with nothing but a 4.0 diesel V8 that made 400 hp for years, before finally giving us a gas option because after the 2015 drama, Europe is trying to move away from diesel and they're banned from certain NOx zones (as well as some direct injected gas cars).</p><p></p><p>However, GM was probably the first in their smaller cars, but still does it in trucks and so does RAM: they all offer a BiFuel option. You basically get a second fuel tank filled with 'autogas' (propane/butane mixture). You can just pump it at most gas stations as well, very similar to regular gas.</p><p>Your truck runs on gas until it reaches a certain temperature (49°C/120°F on Hemi's, 70°C/158°C on Pentastars) and then switches to autogas, and switched back when you run out. It's currently around $2,20/gal around me, so not too bad, and between 100-105 octane in North America, the mixture changes depending on the season. You can't tell at all, other than the smell when the cats are still cold. I have a couple of American expats in my neighborhood and they all took their trucks to GM and Ford to get the BiFuel option installed, lol!</p><p></p><p>Been working great in my RAM. I have the long range so 160 liters autogas + 95 liters gasoline (42 + 25 gal). Some say fuel economy could be slightly worse on autogas, which I have noticed if I fill up in the Netherlands, but in Belgium it's virtually identical to gasoline. It can extend your range, too, if you're willing to empty both tanks: it switches seamlessly between the two.</p><p></p><p>I talked to Ford and they have a long range option as well + it puts me one class higher when it comes to emissions in countries like France and Spain. The newer 3.5's and 5.0's from Ford just inject a little bit of gasoline every now and then because they're GDI. With my 5.7 (only used gasoline to get up to temperature and when you start it, even when hot) I got about 470 mpg on gasoline. I occasionally ran it on gasoline if I ran out of the other stuff as well.</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry, I know... it's a crazy long post again, but I'm just so excited. I really want this dealership to call me so I can go for a test ride and get things figured out. If they allow me to pay a little more cash up front and give me a better trade-in value for my truck....... I'm gonna do it.</p><p></p><p>No way to find the sticker or build sheet for Fords? I have a VIN, but I can't find it online? Just checking anybody knows here, you guys are a lot smarter than me or most sales men!</p><p></p><p>Thank you guys for your help and AWESOME input! I'm so excited, I feel like a kid in a toy store!!</p><p></p><p>Have a great Christmas as well you guys, if you're into that! It's been a messed up year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="crouton, post: 1579923, member: 46156"] [USER=21926]@smurfslayer[/USER] Thank God gas prices aren't [B]that[/B] high, yet :D It's more like 5 USD / gal for 95 RON, our lowest grade (about 91 AKI in the U.S.), but I totally get your point. The funny part is, this was a dealer with nothing but trucks. I looked it up and they do Ford trucks, RAM and Toyota mid and fullsize (anything that isn't a Hilux diesel is sold seperately). So really the only V6, aside from Tacoma's, on the lot. I think they genuienly make less money on Raptors or something, but I didn't care too much because at the time I wasn't looking for something new. And you'd actually be surprised how similar cars in Europe are compared to the U.S. Most people getting economy cars are because they make sense in our historically small cities (even though I've never had a problem with my full size truck), and tax. You're taxed based on emission, displacement and efficiency (displacement vs. power output, which is why almost all cars are turbocharged). For a 6.4 Grand Cherokee, you'd pay €10.000 up front to register it, and €3.000 a year. A Renegade - which has been facelifted in Europe - now has a turbo 3 cyl (instead of a turbo 4 cyl) and would be €150 to register and probably about the same annualy. That's a huge difference. It also sounds ridiculous compared to the 2.4 n/a 4 banger in the U.S. (we never got), but performance wise they're pretty similar. And obviously, in real life, their fuel consumption is similar as well, but it only matters they're more 'efficient' on paper. This doesn't count for pick-up trucks where I live. Free registration and about €140 tax, whether it's a 2 cylinder or an SRT10. I'm looking for a truck *now* because it's gonna change soon. They think too many regular people like myself took advantage of the system, getting trucks as family vehicles. So starting February, newly registered trucks will have to pay road tax as well, like cars. And of course, diesel is still very important in Europe. More efficient, higher power density, same price, ... Audi for example sold it's SQ7 (a sport-ish crossover) with nothing but a 4.0 diesel V8 that made 400 hp for years, before finally giving us a gas option because after the 2015 drama, Europe is trying to move away from diesel and they're banned from certain NOx zones (as well as some direct injected gas cars). However, GM was probably the first in their smaller cars, but still does it in trucks and so does RAM: they all offer a BiFuel option. You basically get a second fuel tank filled with 'autogas' (propane/butane mixture). You can just pump it at most gas stations as well, very similar to regular gas. Your truck runs on gas until it reaches a certain temperature (49°C/120°F on Hemi's, 70°C/158°C on Pentastars) and then switches to autogas, and switched back when you run out. It's currently around $2,20/gal around me, so not too bad, and between 100-105 octane in North America, the mixture changes depending on the season. You can't tell at all, other than the smell when the cats are still cold. I have a couple of American expats in my neighborhood and they all took their trucks to GM and Ford to get the BiFuel option installed, lol! Been working great in my RAM. I have the long range so 160 liters autogas + 95 liters gasoline (42 + 25 gal). Some say fuel economy could be slightly worse on autogas, which I have noticed if I fill up in the Netherlands, but in Belgium it's virtually identical to gasoline. It can extend your range, too, if you're willing to empty both tanks: it switches seamlessly between the two. I talked to Ford and they have a long range option as well + it puts me one class higher when it comes to emissions in countries like France and Spain. The newer 3.5's and 5.0's from Ford just inject a little bit of gasoline every now and then because they're GDI. With my 5.7 (only used gasoline to get up to temperature and when you start it, even when hot) I got about 470 mpg on gasoline. I occasionally ran it on gasoline if I ran out of the other stuff as well. I'm sorry, I know... it's a crazy long post again, but I'm just so excited. I really want this dealership to call me so I can go for a test ride and get things figured out. If they allow me to pay a little more cash up front and give me a better trade-in value for my truck....... I'm gonna do it. No way to find the sticker or build sheet for Fords? I have a VIN, but I can't find it online? Just checking anybody knows here, you guys are a lot smarter than me or most sales men! Thank you guys for your help and AWESOME input! I'm so excited, I feel like a kid in a toy store!! Have a great Christmas as well you guys, if you're into that! It's been a messed up year. [/QUOTE]
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