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<blockquote data-quote="MarkT" data-source="post: 137730" data-attributes="member: 3007"><p>I'll admit I'm confused by your response. On one hand you say that you won't post information because it might inspire someone with lesser knowledge than yourself to make or market their own set. Then in the next breath you say you purposely didn't mention the dangers of hydrogen embrittlement during heat treatment? It's this kind of information that would keep people from buying from critical parts from people who don't know what they're doing! And it would keep anyone with a drill press and a lathe from thinking they could just throw their own kit together. </p><p></p><p>As far as Herbst and the aluminum rods... I know aluminum tie rods have been used by many racers. I've used them myself. But it's very possible that they use much larger and stronger threads. (I'm not up on trophy trucks but my guess is 1" or 1.25" is used... much stronger than 0.75")</p><p></p><p>Oh, one thing I'm pretty sure of is that most trophy trucks weigh less than a Raptor. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>But you didn't claim your tie rods were made from aluminum like the trophy trucks... you made specific claims when someone asked you about thread strength.</p><p></p><p>What caught my eye was your claim that a 3/4" thread in aluminum was stronger than the stock 0.472" steel threads... that fine threads are stronger than coarse threads... and the implication that more thread engagement than stock adds substantially to thread strength. </p><p></p><p>All of those claims are hard for me to believe and you aren't backing them up with any engineering or test data. </p><p></p><p>As far as thread engagement? If I'm wrong, show me where. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, the first few threads carry about 80% of the load. In softer materials, the loads spread out a little more but there is no significant increase in thread strength once you exceed an engagement 1.5 times the bolt diameter in aluminum. </p><p></p><p>In reality? Ford's tie rod threads might be 10 times stronger than they need to be. Your threads might only be 7 or 8 times stronger than they need to be. Both might be overkill. But that still doesn't make it right to claim something is stronger than stock when it may not be. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/cheers.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cheers:" title="Cheers :cheers:" data-shortname=":cheers:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MarkT, post: 137730, member: 3007"] I'll admit I'm confused by your response. On one hand you say that you won't post information because it might inspire someone with lesser knowledge than yourself to make or market their own set. Then in the next breath you say you purposely didn't mention the dangers of hydrogen embrittlement during heat treatment? It's this kind of information that would keep people from buying from critical parts from people who don't know what they're doing! And it would keep anyone with a drill press and a lathe from thinking they could just throw their own kit together. As far as Herbst and the aluminum rods... I know aluminum tie rods have been used by many racers. I've used them myself. But it's very possible that they use much larger and stronger threads. (I'm not up on trophy trucks but my guess is 1" or 1.25" is used... much stronger than 0.75") Oh, one thing I'm pretty sure of is that most trophy trucks weigh less than a Raptor. :) But you didn't claim your tie rods were made from aluminum like the trophy trucks... you made specific claims when someone asked you about thread strength. What caught my eye was your claim that a 3/4" thread in aluminum was stronger than the stock 0.472" steel threads... that fine threads are stronger than coarse threads... and the implication that more thread engagement than stock adds substantially to thread strength. All of those claims are hard for me to believe and you aren't backing them up with any engineering or test data. As far as thread engagement? If I'm wrong, show me where. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, the first few threads carry about 80% of the load. In softer materials, the loads spread out a little more but there is no significant increase in thread strength once you exceed an engagement 1.5 times the bolt diameter in aluminum. In reality? Ford's tie rod threads might be 10 times stronger than they need to be. Your threads might only be 7 or 8 times stronger than they need to be. Both might be overkill. But that still doesn't make it right to claim something is stronger than stock when it may not be. :cheers: [/QUOTE]
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