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<blockquote data-quote="Yeldarbraptor" data-source="post: 1616314" data-attributes="member: 45618"><p>Just wanted to jump in here and say if you're reading this, listen to Melvimbe and B E N . EV trucks have the potential to be very exciting in many ways, but they're also in their infancy. I think it will be a good 10 years until we have anything that will even come close to the performance of ICE vehicles.</p><p></p><p>Having owned EVs in the past, IMO the biggest downsides/issues with EVs in their current iterations are: battery capacity/energy density, temperature sensitivity, charging infrastructure, and the issue of the off road environment causing the lowest efficiency possible. Of course there are others, but those are just the biggest in my opinion. (I know that some of these points have been touched on previously, but just throwing in my 2 cents)</p><p></p><p>Others have talked about efficiency in this thread already - a big thing to note is that EV's are typically three times as efficient at taking a unit of energy and turning it into forward motion when compared to ICE vehicles. I think it's important to remember here that this figure is based on what we're seeing/experiencing currently. ICE vehicles are at their ~33% efficiency after well over 100 years of innovation, racing, etc. EVs are still very very young, so it will be exciting to see if that efficiency figure can go even higher. There's so many parts/systems that will be innovated.</p><p></p><p>Charging infrastructure is going to be a big achilles heel at first - there just isn't a large enough infrastructure to support more EVs yet, but companies are working on this. Yes, Tesla has a great network, but it's tiny if we think about how few people actually have EVs. Rivian is making notable strides here, pledging to install thousands of charging points in the US and abroad - many of them close to popular outdoors locations, so that will hopefully help owners get a charge at least somewhat close to off road attractions. If you haven't seen it - there's a show called "The long way up" on apple TV - they take two electric harleys from the southern tip of South America 13,000 miles north to California, and they used 2 Rivian prototypes as support vehicles. Super interesting to see how they handled the terrain and temps. Take it with a grain of salt though since the vehicles they used were strictly prototypes. Definitely the toughest terrain EVs have seen yet though, as far as I know.</p><p></p><p>At any rate - I'm with BenBB - I think that Rivian has probably made the most interesting and innovative strides towards having a viable off road EV. I will say though, that their battery capacity leaves something to be desired. I'm not sure the solution here is to just install a bigger battery, since the weight alone will start to be a big issue. I'd imagine that the companies offering SUV/Truck EVs will learn a LOT in the early years - I bet pulling back on some of the awesome "instant torque" and 3 sec 0-60 power would really help them eek more range out of the batteries. We all love stomping on the skinny pedal, but we rarely NEED to. Aerodynamics will probably start to take much more of a driving role in design as well, allowing us to rethink how the cab of a truck needs to look/funciton.</p><p></p><p>Something I think that will be really interesting to see as more EVs venture off road is the reliability. Having so few moving parts would theoretically be awesome, but we humans are reeeeally good at breaking shit. So I'm sure we'll start to see a whole host of off road EV issues that we didn't anticipate.</p><p></p><p>I think EV trucks will be crazy cool feats of engineering though, and I can't wait to see what we'll be able to buy in 5-10 years. EV raptors and TRXs? Who knows!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yeldarbraptor, post: 1616314, member: 45618"] Just wanted to jump in here and say if you're reading this, listen to Melvimbe and B E N . EV trucks have the potential to be very exciting in many ways, but they're also in their infancy. I think it will be a good 10 years until we have anything that will even come close to the performance of ICE vehicles. Having owned EVs in the past, IMO the biggest downsides/issues with EVs in their current iterations are: battery capacity/energy density, temperature sensitivity, charging infrastructure, and the issue of the off road environment causing the lowest efficiency possible. Of course there are others, but those are just the biggest in my opinion. (I know that some of these points have been touched on previously, but just throwing in my 2 cents) Others have talked about efficiency in this thread already - a big thing to note is that EV's are typically three times as efficient at taking a unit of energy and turning it into forward motion when compared to ICE vehicles. I think it's important to remember here that this figure is based on what we're seeing/experiencing currently. ICE vehicles are at their ~33% efficiency after well over 100 years of innovation, racing, etc. EVs are still very very young, so it will be exciting to see if that efficiency figure can go even higher. There's so many parts/systems that will be innovated. Charging infrastructure is going to be a big achilles heel at first - there just isn't a large enough infrastructure to support more EVs yet, but companies are working on this. Yes, Tesla has a great network, but it's tiny if we think about how few people actually have EVs. Rivian is making notable strides here, pledging to install thousands of charging points in the US and abroad - many of them close to popular outdoors locations, so that will hopefully help owners get a charge at least somewhat close to off road attractions. If you haven't seen it - there's a show called "The long way up" on apple TV - they take two electric harleys from the southern tip of South America 13,000 miles north to California, and they used 2 Rivian prototypes as support vehicles. Super interesting to see how they handled the terrain and temps. Take it with a grain of salt though since the vehicles they used were strictly prototypes. Definitely the toughest terrain EVs have seen yet though, as far as I know. At any rate - I'm with BenBB - I think that Rivian has probably made the most interesting and innovative strides towards having a viable off road EV. I will say though, that their battery capacity leaves something to be desired. I'm not sure the solution here is to just install a bigger battery, since the weight alone will start to be a big issue. I'd imagine that the companies offering SUV/Truck EVs will learn a LOT in the early years - I bet pulling back on some of the awesome "instant torque" and 3 sec 0-60 power would really help them eek more range out of the batteries. We all love stomping on the skinny pedal, but we rarely NEED to. Aerodynamics will probably start to take much more of a driving role in design as well, allowing us to rethink how the cab of a truck needs to look/funciton. Something I think that will be really interesting to see as more EVs venture off road is the reliability. Having so few moving parts would theoretically be awesome, but we humans are reeeeally good at breaking shit. So I'm sure we'll start to see a whole host of off road EV issues that we didn't anticipate. I think EV trucks will be crazy cool feats of engineering though, and I can't wait to see what we'll be able to buy in 5-10 years. EV raptors and TRXs? Who knows! [/QUOTE]
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