Who is making big power?

[gijosh28]

Has anyone done any big mods and gotten any dyno time to show improvement? If you have any kind of dyno sheet, post it and share what's done.

 

[Micha]

I made 440/500 whp on a dynojet last year with turbo adapters, cheapest intake and a e48 tune that had like 3 revisions.

No dyno sheet sorry.

 

[Nasty]

I made 440/500 whp on a dynojet last year with turbo adapters, cheapest intake and a e48 tune that had like 3 revisions.

No dyno sheet sorry.

Do you happen to know if it was measured in SAE or STD?

 

[gijosh28]

I made 440/500 whp on a dynojet last year with turbo adapters, cheapest intake and a e48 tune that had like 3 revisions.

No dyno sheet sorry.

Who did the tune? Any idea what it made before the CAI and turbo adapters?

I don't think I've even heard of anyone else getting a tune on a dyno. I would have thought by now that someone would have done some crazy shit to make big power, like the old 7th injector trick on Grand Nationals.

 

[Micha]

Do you happen to know if it was measured in SAE or STD?

I would have to ask my tuner. It was tuned at Fathouse Fabrications outside of Indianapolis.

Who did the tune? Any idea what it made before the CAI and turbo adapters?

I don't think I've even heard of anyone else getting a tune on a dyno. I would have thought by now that someone would have done some crazy shit to make big power, like the old 7th injector trick on Grand Nationals.

Nope. I installed then tuned. On stock tune on 93 octane it made 365WHP and I honestly don't remember torque. It was in 5th gear if that helps any. All of my runs were done in 5th gear.
My tuner is Corbin Johnson from Johnson Tuning. You can find him on facebook the easiest I assume.

 

[gijosh28]

I would have to ask my tuner. It was tuned at Fathouse Fabrications outside of Indianapolis.



Nope. I installed then tuned. On stock tune on 93 octane it made 365WHP and I honestly don't remember torque. It was in 5th gear if that helps any. All of my runs were done in 5th gear.
My tuner is Corbin Johnson from Johnson Tuning. You can find him on facebook the easiest I assume.

Thanks for the info!

 

[brettmess24]

Currently “big power” raptors are going boom.




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[Pacific Wheel]

Currently “big power” raptors are going boom.




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Sad but true. I believe Full Race is putting down some good numbers with slightly bigger turbos but nothing huge.

 

[EricM]

The big power guys are the ones with Gen 1 supercharged or turbocharged 6.2L V8s.

 

[jaz13]

Currently “big power” raptors are going boom.

IMO it's not a bad thing. It means the 3.5EB is a far more optimized design than the 6.2. Ford squeezed all the performance out of it from the factory and there is less for the aftermarket to do. I don't mod and I'm glad I'm not lugging around a lazy engine that requires $10k in additional parts to get the most out of it.

And with the industry shifting its focus to weight, I don't expect that to change any time soon as engineers stop overbuilding. (overbuilding is lazy engineering because it requires far less effort. hence why FCA products are so ******* heavy.)

 

[EricM]

It also means the 3.5L is more highly stressed from the factory- ie higher peak cylinder pressures, higher Vmax on the pistons, high forces at the main bearings, etc.

The 6.2L will live a nice long easy life. The 3.5L TT will being a leaky steamy mess at 200K miles, but I know that doesn't matter to the buy-em/trade-em every 3 years crowd though, nor should it.

 

[1BAD454SS]

I don't mod and I'm glad I'm not lugging around a lazy engine that requires $10k in additional parts to get the most out of it.

No you Paid 20k more for a V6

 

[jaz13]

No you Paid 20k more for a V6

$20k extra for more HP, larger shock, more suspension travel, more ground clearance, lighter, faster, quieter, more comfortable, bigger sunroof, heated steering wheel, rear heated seats, rear seat airbags, gobs of more technology. It's an undisputed all around better performer on the street and off-road.

And subjectively, I think the G2 is 10x better looking. G1 waterfall front end and headlights remind me too much of my neighbor's boring old Taurus company car.

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It also means the 3.5L is more highly stressed from the factory- ie higher peak cylinder pressures, higher Vmax on the pistons, high forces at the main bearings, etc.

The 6.2L will live a nice long easy life. The 3.5L TT will being a leaky steamy mess at 200K miles, but I know that doesn't matter to the buy-em/trade-em every 3 years crowd though, nor should it.

Overbuilding something doesn't make it better, just makes it heavier and more expensive to build, maintain, and operate. Does it really matter if an engine can last 2 million miles if the body and interior are destroyed by 250k?

 

[zombiekiller]

$20k extra for more HP, larger shock, more suspension travel, more ground clearance, lighter, faster, quieter, more comfortable, bigger sunroof, heated steering wheel, rear heated seats, rear seat airbags, gobs of more technology. It's an undisputed all around better performer on the street and off-road.

And subjectively, I think the G2 is 10x better looking. G1 waterfall front end and headlights remind me too much of my neighbor's boring old Taurus company car.

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Overbuilding something doesn't make it better, just makes it heavier and more expensive to build, maintain, and operate. Does it really matter if an engine can last 2 million miles if the body and interior are destroyed by 250k?

just an FYI, you realize there is a fiberglass set up that puts the gen2 bodywork onto just about any freaking chassis out there, including the gen1 raptors, right?

For my porpoises, Once I'm out of warranty on the ecoboost, you bet your ass I'm throwing some sort of V8 in there. ( more than likely a 5.2 CPC coyote variant, which may or may not include a supercharger.)

The only upside to the V6 TT for me is the performance and longevity "claim".

My truck is at the dealer after 7800 miles because the motor already committed hari-kari, so longevity is out the window. A v8 will also outperform the v6 too.

YMMV, but i think you're buying into the marketing more than you should.

 

[EricM]

There's no reason the body and interior should be destroyed by 250K miles. My last truck sold with 150K on it and the interior looked brand new. Another 100K surely wouldn't have devolved it into total ruins. I will give you the fact that the body was rusting out in the rocker panels pretty bad- but that was because I ran it as a DD in all the winter salt for nearly two decades. It was garaged in between trips in the salt/ice too, which is even worse.

My Raptor lives in a garage, but it does not get that winter abuse, so I expect the body to essentially last forever. The interior will last just as long- I simply don't destroy my stuff.

I get that some of you have the money to pay cash for a new Raptor as a toy or for your DD, or you always have a car payment and that's not a big deal to you. Good for you, you've done well in life and who gives **** all about the reliability of an engine you won't own beyond it's warranty period, right? All these Gen 1 guys harping about how ****** the engine is- I mean, it goes, right?

No matter how much or how little I make, personally, I don't want to keep buying full sized 4WD trucks every 5-10 years for the rest of my life. I take good care of the body and interior, so it actually matters to me how reliable the drivetrain is at high mileage. The 6.2L will be reliable, the 3.5 TT will not.

Don't get me wrong- I don't hate the 3.5L TT, I own and DD a Taurus SHO. I don't plan to keep that car forever though- since it's a DD the salt will eat it.

As far as big power goes, you can rationalize it all you want, but it's as true now as it ever was. Repeat after me- there is no replacement for displacement. If you want to make 1000+ it's so much easier to do with a 6.2L engine vs a 3.5L engine. If it's still not clear as to why- just keep making the first engine size bigger and the second size smaller until it makes sense. Envision a 8.0L Viper versus a 1.0L 3 Cyl Fiesta engine. How about a 8.7L big block Ford vs a 130 CC weed eater engine. If you want big power, use a big engine.

 

[Truckzor]

Once I'm out of warranty on the ecoboost, you bet your ass I'm throwing some sort of V8 in there. ( more than likely a 5.2 CPC coyote variant, which may or may not include a supercharger.)

A whippled 5.2 liter CPC would be insane. My truck would be a boat anchor by comparison.

 

[EricM]

A whippled 5.2 liter CPC would be insane. My truck would be a boat anchor by comparison.

CPC is cross plane crank? That's pretty much going to be the next GT500 engine from what I've read. The only downside to the 5.0/5.2 is the pistons can't be made as stout as the older 4.6 mod motor engines, which does matter when you are going for really big numbers.

 

[Truckzor]

CPC is cross plane crank? That's pretty much going to be the next GT500 engine from what I've read. The only downside to the 5.0/5.2 is the pistons can't be made as stout as the older 4.6 mod motor engines, which does matter when you are going for really big numbers.

Yes - cross plane crank.

What's different about the pistons?

 

[jaz13]

There's no reason the body and interior should be destroyed by 250K miles. My last truck sold with 150K on it and the interior looked brand new. Another 100K surely wouldn't have devolved it into total ruins. I will give you the fact that the body was rusting out in the rocker panels pretty bad- but that was because I ran it as a DD in all the winter salt for nearly two decades. It was garaged in between trips in the salt/ice too, which is even worse.

My Raptor lives in a garage, but it does not get that winter abuse, so I expect the body to essentially last forever. The interior will last just as long- I simply don't destroy my stuff.

I get that some of you have the money to pay cash for a new Raptor as a toy or for your DD, or you always have a car payment and that's not a big deal to you. Good for you, you've done well in life and who gives **** all about the reliability of an engine you won't own beyond it's warranty period, right? All these Gen 1 guys harping about how ****** the engine is- I mean, it goes, right?

No matter how much or how little I make, personally, I don't want to keep buying full sized 4WD trucks every 5-10 years for the rest of my life. I take good care of the body and interior, so it actually matters to me how reliable the drivetrain is at high mileage. The 6.2L will be reliable, the 3.5 TT will not.

Don't get me wrong- I don't hate the 3.5L TT, I own and DD a Taurus SHO. I don't plan to keep that car forever though- since it's a DD the salt will eat it.

As far as big power goes, you can rationalize it all you want, but it's as true now as it ever was. Repeat after me- there is no replacement for displacement. If you want to make 1000+ it's so much easier to do with a 6.2L engine vs a 3.5L engine. If it's still not clear as to why- just keep making the first engine size bigger and the second size smaller until it makes sense. Envision a 8.0L Viper versus a 1.0L 3 Cyl Fiesta engine. How about a 8.7L big block Ford vs a 130 CC weed eater engine. If you want big power, use a big engine.

Just because you are gentile on your interior doesn't mean Ford should assume everyone is gentile with their interior and design their vehicles around that idea. 95% of the vehicles with 250k miles on them are beaters and if there is any major mechanical failure, the vehicle is sent off to the crusher for scrap because most repairs cost more than the vehicle is worth. Designing any part (engine or otherwise) to last more than 250k miles just isn't worth it.

"There is no replacement for displacement" is so 1970s. N/A engines cannot keep up with turbochargers and superchargers and they are are on the verge of going extinct. More power, less weight, and more efficient. You better get used to it.

 

[EricM]

Do you not understand that a larger engine can be boosted just like the smaller engine? Therefore, the larger engine will always make more power.

We aren't talking about untouched OEM Ford engines anymore once we start talking about making big power- so putting boost to the 6.2L is totally fair game in this discussion. A built and boosted 6.2L will easily do 800+HP at the flywheel. Hell, Roush got 700 HP out of a stroked 7.0L version n/a when it was being developed.