Trade a Raptor for a Lightning?

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Kind of like how all the gen2 owners dumped their trucks right after Biden occupied the white house. The resell market was high and as they knew gas was going through the roof. Most raptors are selling for msrp or 107k for that much I'll wait for hummer then sell once I get a delivery date.

It will be a lot sooner than most of you think, I would say at the rate charging stations are being installed, In the next 5 years EVs will make up around 30 plus percent of the market. As you know most car makers are nit producing just gas models, they are pushing production towards EVS.
 

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Electric power would be a viable choice if range was about 75-100% better across the board, but it’s not. As it is, I could use an electric truck for local trips, but not sure how I’d be traveling with one.

But let’s assume for the sake of discussion that there will be mass adoption of electrics in the coming decade. “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"

At 5% adoption, you’ll hear mutterings of charge restrictions, when you can charge, how much. At 10% adoption, rules, regulations and laws will be discussed. Also, Utility companies will cry for mercy from the taxpayers.
Rate hikes will ensue, taxes will be raised to “improve the infrastructure” to support EV charging. We’ll be paying for electric vehicles whether we like it or not. We already are, we’ll just be paying more.

It’s fine to be a Hollywood EV huckster, but in states with real winters and real cold, EV power won’t be that big of a hit. Minnesota is already whining about their proposed adoption of CA regs - several states follow CA emissions standards and are now faced with deciding if they can and should follow the mandatory no new ICE sales CA is adopting.
 

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I cant wait until they start taxing EV drivers by the mile with on board tracking devices. Hopefully it will red pill some of them , but my guess is no. Too much cognitive dissonance at that point.
Right after I received my Lightning, my state announced an EV tax. They are claiming that we arnt paying a road tax via gasoline...meanwhile, my two other ICE vehicles get horrible mileage therefore plenty of road taxes are actually paid. It's idiotic
 

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Electric power would be a viable choice if range was about 75-100% better across the board, but it’s not. As it is, I could use an electric truck for local trips, but not sure how I’d be traveling with one.

But let’s assume for the sake of discussion that there will be mass adoption of electrics in the coming decade. “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"

At 5% adoption, you’ll hear mutterings of charge restrictions, when you can charge, how much. At 10% adoption, rules, regulations and laws will be discussed. Also, Utility companies will cry for mercy from the taxpayers.
Rate hikes will ensue, taxes will be raised to “improve the infrastructure” to support EV charging. We’ll be paying for electric vehicles whether we like it or not. We already are, we’ll just be paying more.

It’s fine to be a Hollywood EV huckster, but in states with real winters and real cold, EV power won’t be that big of a hit. Minnesota is already whining about their proposed adoption of CA regs - several states follow CA emissions standards and are now faced with deciding if they can and should follow the mandatory no new ICE sales CA is adopting.
Have you taken a look at power sources and supply over a 24hr period? The cheapest and easiest to produce power is obviously used first, and the most expensive are last resort. Coincidentally, many of the plants do not shut units down even when demand is low . This happens to be when most EVs are charged. The vehicles allow you to schedule times.

I'm not claiming that EVs won't tax the grid. Just that nighttime charging is the best time for both owners and utility companies, and that many areas have a "surplus" at those times.
 

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Have you taken a look at power sources and supply over a 24hr period? The cheapest and easiest to produce power is obviously used first, and the most expensive are last resort. Coincidentally, many of the plants do not shut units down even when demand is low . This happens to be when most EVs are charged. The vehicles allow you to schedule times.

I'm not claiming that EVs won't tax the grid. Just that nighttime charging is the best time for both owners and utility companies, and that many areas have a "surplus" at those times.

Most everyone say 90 percent of ev owners charge level 2 at home and overnight, this is optimal charging off peak hours. So little effect on the power grids. The registration fees is where governors in most states are trying to stick it to ev owners. There are lobbying groups trying to get those reduced.
 

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I'm not claiming that EVs won't tax the grid. Just that nighttime charging is the best time for both owners and utility companies, and that many areas have a "surplus" at those times.

True. At least until it’s not, like the Texas winter of ’21; aka Snovid 21.

But how much surplus do we have overnight with the usage involved? Do we even have 1% EV in TX? Let’s imagine we had 5%, all charging overnight, how long would it be until restrictions were put in place do you think?

In a normal Dec. - Mar. or what some northern dwellers call winter, we’re sitting pretty. Not as pretty as Miami, but yeah not much going on overnight.

We’ll find out in the next 5-10 years.
 

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The current EV push is a prime example of putting the cart before the horse.

Not really, although hybrids will be first. Ever wonder why you all can't get a hold of the Gen3s like you did the gen2s? It is not the global supply chain. American companies and their foreign counterparts are making break through battery technology products in this country. All R&D for new product development is EV based plus the tax incentives they offer.

I get it, I love late 60s early 70s muscle cars and plan to have my STI forever but I figure at some point they will come out with penalties for people with internal combustion engines. At that time it is time to hide your stuff from the armed IRS agents.
 
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