Toyota Guy Going Over The Dark Side

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I drove a 2006 Tacoma TRD Off Road for 16 trouble free years, excellent, reliable pickup. Mid April I traded it for a new 22 Tacoma TRD Pro (MSRP for the Pro, but only 4K less trade value than what I paid new for the 06) as I had given up on getting the Raptor I have (still) ordered. Another excellent Tacoma other than it’s becoming dated, fortunately a newly updated (2024, and as pointed out by the OP, a Hybrid variant will be available) Tacoma is coming.
July 1st purchased a new 22 Raptor, sold the Pro with just over 6k miles to a Toyota dealer for $8,626 over what I paid for it.
Plenty of non fans on this thread, that’s okay, I’m just pointing out they maintain solid value, and are extremely reliable. Fortunately there are plenty of pickup choices on the market to appease most everyone.
 

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I drove a 2006 Tacoma TRD Off Road for 16 trouble free years, excellent, reliable pickup. Mid April I traded it for a new 22 Tacoma TRD Pro (MSRP for the Pro, but only 4K less trade value than what I paid new for the 06) as I had given up on getting the Raptor I have (still) ordered. Another excellent Tacoma other than it’s becoming dated, fortunately a newly updated (2024, and as pointed out by the OP, a Hybrid variant will be available) Tacoma is coming.
July 1st purchased a new 22 Raptor, sold the Pro with just over 6k miles to a Toyota dealer for $8,626 over what I paid for it.
Plenty of non fans on this thread, that’s okay, I’m just pointing out they maintain solid value, and are extremely reliable. Fortunately there are plenty of pickup choices on the market to appease most everyone.
Not sure why people feel the need to constantly repeat “reliable” multiple times whenever a Toyota vehicle is brought up. Apparently a defense mechanism or excuse for offering an outdated, and in many cases worst in class product that people blindly purchase based on a badge and a farce that it will not need repairs. Which of course is not only inaccurate, but simply ridiculous. Personally, I’ve made more than a decent amount of money repairing said vehicles that supposedly “never break”. As have Toyota dealers and every other independent repair facility.

Toyotas products are not “more reliable” than other brands, they simply take the least amount of risk possible while capitalizing on their extremely loyal and brainwashed audience. These are the people spending $60,000 on a japanese designed pickup built in Mexico that shares its Atkinson cycle engine with a minivan, and is the subject of multiple class action lawsuits for the frames rusting out and breaking in half. The Japanese certainly took advantage when GM, Ford, and Chrysler made the foolish decision to exit the midsize pickup segment. But hard to blame them for that; the midsize Japanese pickups became the only game in town.

The 2023 Taco continues the cheap, outdated legacy of Toyota by still using drum brakes…at this point it’s it’s the only vehicle that is not a base model compact car on the market with drum brakes. Only a toyota loyalist could excuse that, and it would still be ridiculous.

As far as the 2024 Tacoma…it’s supposed to share its platform with the new Tundra. Which so far has been less than impressive, and after seeing one in person on a lift today, it’s not even competitive.
 
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Not sure why people feel the need to constantly repeat “reliable” multiple times whenever a Toyota vehicle is brought up. Apparently a defense mechanism or excuse for offering an outdated, and in many cases worst in class product that people blindly purchase based on a badge and a farce that it will not need repairs. Which of course is not only inaccurate, but simply ridiculous. Personally, I’ve made more than a decent amount of money repairing said vehicles that supposedly “never break”. As have Toyota dealers and every other independent repair facility.

Toyotas products are not “more reliable” than other brands, they simply take the least amount of risk possible while capitalizing on their extremely loyal and brainwashed audience. These are the people spending $60,000 on a japanese designed pickup built in Mexico that shares its Atkinson cycle engine with a minivan, and is the subject of multiple class action lawsuits for the frames rusting out and breaking in half. The Japanese certainly took advantage when GM, Ford, and Chrysler made the foolish decision to exit the midsize pickup segment. But hard to blame them for that; the midsize Japanese pickups became the only game in town.

The 2023 Taco continues the cheap, outdated legacy of Toyota by still using drum brakes…at this point it’s it’s the only vehicle that is not a base model compact car on the market with drum brakes. Only a toyota loyalist could excuse that, and it would still be ridiculous.

As far as the 2024 Tacoma…it’s supposed to share its platform with the new Tundra. Which so far has been less than impressive, and after seeing one in person on a lift today, it’s not even competitive.

So you don't like them? lol

I had a 2015 Tundra and traded for a 2017 Tundra. Never liked either of them. Traded the 2017 for a 2019 XLT which quickly became my favorite truck ever.... Until the 22 Raptor arrived. :)
 

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Not sure why people feel the need to constantly repeat “reliable” multiple times whenever a Toyota vehicle is brought up. Apparently a defense mechanism or excuse for offering an outdated, and in many cases worst in class product that people blindly purchase based on a badge and a farce that it will not need repairs. Which of course is not only inaccurate, but simply ridiculous. Personally, I’ve made more than a decent amount of money repairing said vehicles that supposedly “never break”. As have Toyota dealers and every other independent repair facility.

Toyotas products are not “more reliable” than other brands, they simply take the least amount of risk possible while capitalizing on their extremely loyal and brainwashed audience. These are the people spending $60,000 on a japanese designed pickup built in Mexico that shares its Atkinson cycle engine with a minivan, and is the subject of multiple class action lawsuits for the frames rusting out and breaking in half. The Japanese certainly took advantage when GM, Ford, and Chrysler made the foolish decision to exit the midsize pickup segment. But hard to blame them for that; the midsize Japanese pickups became the only game in town.

The 2023 Taco continues the cheap, outdated legacy of Toyota by still using drum brakes…at this point it’s it’s the only vehicle that is not a base model compact car on the market with drum brakes. Only a toyota loyalist could excuse that, and it would still be ridiculous.

As far as the 2024 Tacoma…it’s supposed to share its platform with the new Tundra. Which so far has been less than impressive, and after seeing one in person on a lift today, it’s not even competitive.
drum brakes and the most anemic v-6 ever put into a midsize for 60k lel.
 

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Not sure why people feel the need to constantly repeat “reliable” multiple times whenever a Toyota vehicle is brought up. Apparently a defense mechanism or excuse for offering an outdated, and in many cases worst in class product that people blindly purchase based on a badge and a farce that it will not need repairs. Which of course is not only inaccurate, but simply ridiculous. Personally, I’ve made more than a decent amount of money repairing said vehicles that supposedly “never break”. As have Toyota dealers and every other independent repair facility.

Toyotas products are not “more reliable” than other brands, they simply take the least amount of risk possible while capitalizing on their extremely loyal and brainwashed audience. These are the people spending $60,000 on a japanese designed pickup built in Mexico that shares its Atkinson cycle engine with a minivan, and is the subject of multiple class action lawsuits for the frames rusting out and breaking in half. The Japanese certainly took advantage when GM, Ford, and Chrysler made the foolish decision to exit the midsize pickup segment. But hard to blame them for that; the midsize Japanese pickups became the only game in town.

The 2023 Taco continues the cheap, outdated legacy of Toyota by still using drum brakes…at this point it’s it’s the only vehicle that is not a base model compact car on the market with drum brakes. Only a toyota loyalist could excuse that, and it would still be ridiculous.

As far as the 2024 Tacoma…it’s supposed to share its platform with the new Tundra. Which so far has been less than impressive, and after seeing one in person on a lift today, it’s not even competitive.
Well FTO, no need to get your frilly underwear all disarrayed!

You win, okay.…as your forum name suggests, you’re the well trained expert, and in short, I’m simply nothing more than a “loyal and brainwashed” former member of the audience…lol.
Fortunately Toyota’s innumerable shortfalls have provided you with ample opportunities to make a “decent amount of money repairing said vehicles”, otherwise with Ford’s impeccable quality, you’d be the equivalent of the “lonely Maytag Repairman”.

I really couldn’t care less what you, or anybody else feels compelled to write about Toyota, or any other non Ford brand for that matter. I was simply offering up what I’ve experienced with said brand, nothing more.
 

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Well FTO, no need to get your frilly underwear all disarrayed!

You win, okay.…as your forum name suggests, you’re the well trained expert, and in short, I’m simply nothing more than a “loyal and brainwashed” former member of the audience…lol.
Fortunately Toyota’s innumerable shortfalls have provided you with ample opportunities to make a “decent amount of money repairing said vehicles”, otherwise with Ford’s impeccable quality, you’d be the equivalent of the “lonely Maytag Repairman”.

I really couldn’t care less what you, or anybody else feels compelled to write about Toyota, or any other non Ford brand for that matter. I was simply offering up what I’ve experienced with said brand, nothing more.
I see you’ve edited you’re post a few times. Didn’t mean to trigger you, it wasn’t a personal attack. I was referring to the buying public in general.

All vehicles require maintenance and repairs regardless of brand. Toyota builds a reputation and massive profits through extended product lifecycles. That means you’re paying a competitive price for a brand new outdated and uncompetitive vehicle.

Your claims on a 2006 Taco are anecdotal at best; they don’t represent the entire population. You keep repeating “extreme reliability” as if it’s a quantifiable value; the ‘22 models have not even been out long enough to determine how “reliable” they may or not be long term.

Here’s how the new “extremely reliable” 2022 Tundra launch is going.
 
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