Question for those w/ +3HDs

[mmayo]

Those w/ the +3HD Deavers - do yall feel these ride too stiff when bed is empty? Trying to decide between the HD vs non & from what I gather it seems the HD ride like the stock springs and not overly stiff.

Thanks

 

[Nick@ApolloOffroad]

The HD is designed for folks who consistently carry weight in the bed (racks, spare, gear, etc.) or who tow/haul often. If you ride around unloaded, they are a stiffer spring. The standard +3 does have some beefed up capacity over the +2, but the +3 is intended to have weight on it most of the time. Hope this help with your decision making and please let us know if we can help get you setup!

 

[OPT PRIME]

I “w”ed my stock springs and replaced with +3HD. With the +3s hitched up to the 800#+ tongue of my boat it drops about 2” vs hitting the bump stops driving around stock. The truck is still incredibly compliant over crappy roads, I cannot tell a difference. I also added King 3.0s up front and cannot therefore give an opinion on just Deavers; however can say that with the combo it does handle bigger, sharper hits while rolling and diving less. The +3HDs have ELEVEN progressive leafs vs whatever was stock.

My only complaint about Deaver is their absolute crap corrosion protection. I had them put on an extra coating of paint (which they applied after assembly) and I also sprayed them a week later with WD-40 via a bug sprayer. Two months in and they still started to show aggressive amounts of corrosion between the leafs and I have countered that with Corrosion X. I live in FL, where rain, humidity and standing water is June through September; the stock springs never showed any amount of corrosion although I hit them with WD40 every six months.






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[Rick@FreedomMotorsports]

We have sold a lot of HD's lately and not one single complaint from any customers, even with a bed with not a whole lot of weight. There is absolutely no difference between the SD +2 and +3 as far as material, just the amount of the arch is the only difference. The amount of load for each one is the same. If you are carrying around 300lbs or less, get the SD's.

The HD's have some thicker leafs but also the difference between a +2 and +3 on an HD is the same material grading all the way through, its just the amount of the arch. We recommend the HD's if you plan on carrying more than 300lbs on a constant basis. For folks who want to go beyond 500lbs, we can get them custom made to accommodate that (up to a point). Custom orders typically take 4-6 weeks.

We usually keep stock of the SD and the HD's on the GEN2 since those are popular right now and have sold quite a bit this year. Currently during our sale this month, we ran out of stock and the SD's are going to take about 2 weeks before we get stock again, so please take advantage of our sale now to get a great deal and get on the list.

https://www.fordraptorforum.com/posts/1287020/

 

[Rick@FreedomMotorsports]

My only complaint about Deaver is their absolute crap corrosion protection. I had them put on an extra coating of paint (which they applied after assembly) and I also sprayed them a week later with WD-40 via a bug sprayer. Two months in and they still started to show aggressive amounts of corrosion between the leafs and I have countered that with Corrosion X. I live in FL, where rain, humidity and standing water is June through September; the stock springs never showed any amount of corrosion although I hit them with WD40 every six months.

We highly recommend AMSOIL MPHD to coat the leafs, it will last a LOT longer than WD40. Put on about 4 coats and moving forward you just need to touch them up when needed (usually once a year). Deaver used to offer a powdercoating option but have discontinued it. We can sell a set with extra center pins so you can take them apart and get them powdercoated yourself or however you want to protect them and put back together, then trim the bolts.

 

[Rusty Deavers]

For what it’s worth, I’m running Geiser progressive springs up front and Deaver +3 SD out back. So I cannot speak to the ride quality of the HDs. However, being that I always have weight in the bed (37” spare, 2 ton jack, box of misc. emergency and recovery gear) I think I probably should’ve gone with the HDs. The truck rides basically level with that weight in the bed, but if I add anymore weight (especially to the tongue) I get a little Cali lean. I’d rather have a little more rake with a normal load and less sag with a heavier load. I’m not talking about a lot of weight either. Even three bicycles on a hitch mounted rack will cause sag for a road trip.

 

[Huck]

I have the +3 HD they are a bit more stiff but not noticeable.

However over the last 6 months they have sacked out pretty bad.

Carry around 275# of tools including the bed cover and right now I am sitting at 41.5” from found to fender lip on flat ground (with this load)

I had mine customer made with the following sticker. The spring rate is great but the height has failed a bit.

Anyone can decipher this code from Deaver?

V260HD




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[sobiloff]

I think they put a customer name in there. Here's the sticker on my +2HDs that I got from RPG. I'm surprised yours don't have +3 on 'em?
IMG_0023 by Blake Sobiloff, on Flickr

 

[Rick@FreedomMotorsports]

The name on the sticker is where you got them. If it has your name and custom, then you ordered direct. As for above, those came from RPG orders. Ours will say Freedom.

The V260HD is an old part number that Deaver was using for HD +3. Now its the L84HD.
You can see it on their website since they redid it recently.
For GEN2:
L83: +2 SD
L84: +3 SD
L83HD: +2 HD
L84HD: +3 HD

 

[mAtTyG04]

I've been considering these. It's tough for my application to decide on what to go with. Bed is empty 99% of the time however I tow a 7700lb travel trailer around during the summer. I hate to hate the ride while I'm not towing. Maybe there's an alternative solution? I'm wondering if the +2HD (which states 0 lift with 500lbs in the box) will lift the truck with 0 lbs in the box?

 

[RaptorLF18]

I just got mine installed this week with Eibach, up front. The fact that my front end is up is far more noticeable to me than stiffness of the springs.

 

[Badgertits]

I just got mine installed this week with Eibach, up front. The fact that my front end is up is far more noticeable to me than stiffness of the springs.

I have the Eibachs on the shelf & had been going back & forth on installing em since January......main reason being what to do out back. I don't tow alot but do have a tonneu cover probably adds 50 lbs & 70 lbs in a swingcase toolbox + random small box, & I do tow a jet ski & utility trailer regularly in summer (neither of which are heavy) - I just would like a lil more ground clearance & love the look of a Raptor w/ a lil more height but still a nice rake......my last truck was a GMC I added a 1.25" taller rear blocks + bilstein 5100 adjustable shocks all around w/ the fronts @ highest setting which also equate to "stiffest" - I like the Raptor ride stock, but can't see me disliking it if its firmed up some either

I keep getting the feeling the +3 HD's may be the way to go....cuz it sounds like even if you DONT tow/haul heavy often, it only takes 1-2 big ones to cause the springs to sag....

 

[RaptorLF18]

I have the Eibachs on the shelf & had been going back & forth on installing em since January......main reason being what to do out back. I don't tow alot but do have a tonneu cover probably adds 50 lbs & 70 lbs in a swingcase toolbox + random small box, & I do tow a jet ski & utility trailer regularly in summer (neither of which are heavy) - I just would like a lil more ground clearance & love the look of a Raptor w/ a lil more height but still a nice rake......my last truck was a GMC I added a 1.25" taller rear blocks + bilstein 5100 adjustable shocks all around w/ the fronts @ highest setting which also equate to "stiffest" - I like the Raptor ride stock, but can't see me disliking it if its firmed up some either

I keep getting the feeling the +3 HD's may be the way to go....cuz it sounds like even if you DONT tow/haul heavy often, it only takes 1-2 big ones to cause the springs to sag....

I tow a 19’ aluminum fishing boat (about 3000# all in) and fill the truck bed with goodies for a week a couple times a year. I’m hoping the HD’s help with not only the sag, but the floating feeling.

Front end, I notice the steering wheel is a bit tighter at the outer extents.

Really happy, so far.

 

[EastEndAngler]

We have sold a lot of HD's lately and not one single complaint from any customers, even with a bed with not a whole lot of weight. There is absolutely no difference between the SD +2 and +3 as far as material, just the amount of the arch is the only difference. The amount of load for each one is the same. If you are carrying around 300lbs or less, get the SD's.

The HD's have some thicker leafs but also the difference between a +2 and +3 on an HD is the same material grading all the way through, its just the amount of the arch. We recommend the HD's if you plan on carrying more than 300lbs on a constant basis. For folks who want to go beyond 500lbs, we can get them custom made to accommodate that (up to a point). Custom orders typically take 4-6 weeks.

We usually keep stock of the SD and the HD's on the GEN2 since those are popular right now and have sold quite a bit this year. Currently during our sale this month, we ran out of stock and the SD's are going to take about 2 weeks before we get stock again, so please take advantage of our sale now to get a great deal and get on the list.

https://www.fordraptorforum.com/posts/1287020/

I have a Retrax Pro XR and Yakima Overhaul HD setup, plus I usually have a cooler, bed divider and misc. crap in the bed. 60% of the time, I'm also playing Uber for the wife and kid. Do I "qualify" for +3HD's or just +3?

 

[Rick@FreedomMotorsports]

I have a Retrax Pro XR and Yakima Overhaul HD setup, plus I usually have a cooler, bed divider and misc. crap in the bed. 60% of the time, I'm also playing Uber for the wife and kid. Do I "qualify" for +3HD's or just +3?

Any idea of the total weight? Misc crap can mean a lot of different things to different people.

 

[EastEndAngler]

Any idea of the total weight? Misc crap can mean a lot of different things to different people.

I've probably got 200-300lbs in the bed at all times.

 

[Badgertits]

I've probably got 200-300lbs in the bed at all times.

dude you’re like me & im leaning toward +3HDs too...seems like I haven’t found ONE review/complaint of someone stating “I wish I went w/ the standards or +2s these are way too stiff blah blah”

Know what you WILL find though? “My +2s needed to be re-arched” or “I used +3s & they were fine but eventually sagged past level” etc.

I’d rather have the added capability & never need it OR have it & not need it now but wind up needing later due to upgrading to bigger boat or son gets his own quad now I got one in bed one on trailer etc

 

[BroncoAZ]

I'm researching now. On a Scab I'll be adding (at a minimum) 115# of tonneau cover, 50# of ARB fridge, whatever the SVC bump stop kit weighs, and possibly a second battery. Add in a hi lift jack and an off-road box with some basic gear and I'm probably pushing enough weight for HD from the sounds of things. Maybe the Scab weighing less makes up for some of the additional weight.

 

[Badgertits]

I'm researching now. On a Scab I'll be adding (at a minimum) 115# of tonneau cover, 50# of ARB fridge, whatever the SVC bump stop kit weighs, and possibly a second battery. Add in a hi lift jack and an off-road box with some basic gear and I'm probably pushing enough weight for HD from the sounds of things. Maybe the Scab weighing less makes up for some of the additional weight.

doubtful since the payload/tow rating is less for some reason

I’m thinking I need to ride in a truck that has these installed

 

[BroncoAZ]

doubtful since the payload/tow rating is less for some reason

I’m thinking I need to ride in a truck that has these installed

I forgot the 40# of water that’s mandatory in the desert, so I’m probably looking at 365# all told, but much of that will be at the front of the bed. I was thinking about the payload issue and was wondering if there are different leaf packs in the Scab or if the rating was based on the wheelbase.