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Discussion in 'Off-Roading Your Raptor' started by NightWolf928, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. PlainJane

    PlainJane AKA Knot Now

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    IMO, running a cooler thermostat to keep a engine from overheating is an OLD WIVES TALE! The thermostat sets the minimum temperature and once it opens it also restricts the water flow through the engine.


    The engine / oil are designed to run at ~ 200-210 degrees, the faster it gets there the better for the engine.

    Its especially a bad idea in a cold climate.



    It might produce a small amount of increased power at the expense on increased engine ware rate.



    For the money, the larger transmission cooler is a better investment.
     
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    Do you need to do a tune on the truck for the 170 stat to work, or just buy it and install it ?
     
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    Once open I wonder if the spd thermostat is less restrictive and allows the cooling system to have a higher flow rate thus a decrease in operating temperature. If that is the case a 195 spd would be the ticket IMO.
     
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    no. the thermostat is mechanical.
     
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    you can have whatever opinion that you want. I speak from actual real-life, real-world experience.

    I've got the bigger trans cooler, the bigger radiator, etc, etc.

    2 runs ago ( and granted the ambient was as high as 125 degrees), I hit 250 degrees.

    Without the 170 degree thermostat, I was running 215-220 on the highway.

    once I swapped it and finally got all the air bled out of the system post-swap, I didn't go any higher than 214 in the desert (100-degree ambient).

    many trucks that had way smaller tires and significantly less weight in them that were still running the stock tstat had overheating issues. ( in particular, any trucks running lights above the main hoop of the front bumper.)

    and another thing to mention is that if the motor is running cooler, the computer will pull less timing. This is especially relevant when down in Mexico.

    When the gas is of lesser quality, the motor will pull timing and run hotter. Doing everything that you can to mitigate this is absolutely a smart thing to do.


    I am also currently researching a fan swap as I think with spal fans, I can get an extra 1500 cfm of airflow.

    I used to have doubts about the 170 degree tstats. Guess what? I tried it, collected data points and they actually make a material difference.


    So believe me or not, but I'm usually the guy fixing other people's trucks ( or at least helping to fix them) on the runs to Baja that I participate in, so what the hell would I know.

    oh and lastly, as far as "wear rate", the only way that would come into play would be if you were running an oil with different sheer properties than what the factory recommends. If anything, people tend to run thinner oil, not thicker. Don't believe me? go buy a quart of RGO, then dump it on some metal and leave it outside.

    go back a couple of days later and see if you get oil on your fingers when you touch it.

    now you understand that when the motor is shut down, oil stays on the metal parts. Cold starts are not "dry starts", even if you have ZERO oil in the pan. In your hypothetical, for there to be additional wear, the oil pump would need to fail, or you'd have to be revving the piss out of it immediately.
     
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    Thanks Zombiekiller, excellent write up. Ill add to the list of chit I need.
     
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    IIRC SPD sells theirs for $50. IMO it is probably the best "bang for the buck" mod that you can do. ( if your offroading situations require hard throttle inputs at variable speeds and you sometimes encounter triple-digit ambient temps).

    Just so everything is on the up and up, SPD did send me the majority of their catalog for free after they saw the struggles that I was having with other manufacturers' parts.

    That being said, I'd send SPD a check for all of the parts that they sent me if they asked. Why? because the parts just work and I haven't had one issue with any of them. ( which is a refreshing change for me.)
     
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    Got it, hear nothing but good things about SPD
     
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    @zombiekiller's real-life, real-world experience is interesting, but does not point to using a lower temperature thermostat effecting his overheating issue. It does suggest that an SPD thermostat is a good product and the flow restriction of their thermostat is correct.

    Only comparing different temperature SPD thermostats will yield a proper comparison.
     
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    I don't understand your reasoning. It seems to me that if you get the coolant circulating sooner (at a lower temp), the cooling system is going to be more effective at keeping the ultimate engine temp lower.
     

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