I already decided I am not going to spend the money on the 2017 or 2018 even though I like the technology. I was going to get Roush then just lately Whipple cuz they have the gen 3 now with tons more power BUT I changed my damn mind again, lol. it will take some one that knows both to talk me out of it this time besides I want to order it Monday so who do I order it from? 5 Star I have emailed and called Chris a few times no reply at all. first email he replied then I asked about the Roush 2650 and Black Friday sales LOL guess not to both cuz no reply. JDM I am kinda turned off by them when he quoted me the Whipple products I asked the same thing about Black Friday he said no his prices can't be beat. well it took me 3 seconds to find the heat exchanger a lot cheaper like 150 cheaper and that was just the HE. then to top it of the next day after saying that he posted a sales price here. didn't tell me the price though lol guess he didn't know I was on this site? oh well anyone else that supports this site you guys recommend? Im not a cheap ass I just dont want to buy a SC Monday and few weeks later Black Friday its 20% cheaper or what ever. also has anyone ran the TVS brand SC before is it the same exact kit as the Roush? I think Magnuson has a no compete contract or something but I wish they made a heart beat for the raptor I would buy in a second. any thoughts? thanks as always for your help ops another side note. I already installed BDS traction bars the recoil system looks cool and fixed wheel hop for now we will see after SC it has a lot of adjustment so I am sure it will be fine. at $800 it was the best and pretty fair priced especially if the technology in it really works.