Full Race's "Gen 2.5" Raptor build

[Berencam]

thanks, have a 19 that broke a timing chain guide and bent valves, so doing gen 3 shortblock with gen 2 heads would require me buying new heads. If the full gen 3 longblock gets figured out i can save big bucks, so im holding off until your project gets to a good state. rooting for you!

 

[jonnyutah187]

The challenge at this point in time is Gen 3 pump on Gen 2 computer. Once a calibrator figures this out it will be really interesting becuase the Gen 3 pump flows the same as the aftermarket Gen 2 pumps..

One caveat to this, as well, is my truck is the only one that doesn’t have other issues.
So we can’t know if there is something beyond just the programming. Luckily, the HPFP is at present the only issue.

I’m really excited to get her going though.
The only upgrade I didn’t get was bigger turbos. I went OEM+
Intake, exhaust manifolds, turbo adapters, spd down pipes, the Corsa exhaust I already had.
Should be fun!

 

[Berencam]

One caveat to this, as well, is my truck is the only one that doesn’t have other issues.
So we can’t know if there is something beyond just the programming. Luckily, the HPFP is at present the only issue.

I’m really excited to get her going though.
The only upgrade I didn’t get was bigger turbos. I went OEM+
Intake, exhaust manifolds, turbo adapters, spd down pipes, the Corsa exhaust I already had.
Should be fun!

Can the gen 2 pump be adapted to fit the gen 3 heads? to bypass this issue altogether?

 

[jonnyutah187]

Can the gen 2 pump be adapted to fit the gen 3 heads? to bypass this issue altogether?

This is a "I think so."
The orientation of the fuel lines is a mirror image though - so it would require custom fabricated fuel lines.
That's a bit of a headache, so waiting on MPT to see if they can map the ECU properly to use the Gen 3 pump.
It DOES bolt up though - but the lines are too far off to connect.

 

[ragingdavid]

@jonnyutah187 Have you considered using a gen 3 ECM? Looking at pictures on eBay used to used, seems to be similar on the connection side. I may inquire with MPT about this. Currently holding this truck off until the weather cools down here in GA but for the meantime I'm just coming together with a list of solutions to my problems

 

[jonnyutah187]

@jonnyutah187 Have you considered using a gen 3 ECM? Looking at pictures on eBay used to used, seems to be similar on the connection side. I may inquire with MPT about this. Currently holding this truck off until the weather cools down here in GA but for the meantime I'm just coming together with a list of solutions to my problems

So, yes. However, my understanding is that this also requires a transmission swap.
The ecm in the gen 3 controls both which then has its own hurdles and also stops having the Raptor buttons (unless it’s a Raptor ecm).
I’m open to any and all solutions though! I miss my baby

 

[Berencam]

This is a "I think so."
The orientation of the fuel lines is a mirror image though - so it would require custom fabricated fuel lines.
That's a bit of a headache, so waiting on MPT to see if they can map the ECU properly to use the Gen 3 pump.
It DOES bolt up though - but the lines are too far off to connect.

Seems like that might be the easiest thing to correct for.

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[full-race geoff]

Working on a solution for @jonnyutah187 - keep you guys posted on what we figure out

 

[Zeusmotorworks]

I'd love to have a plug n play package to drop the '22, '23 ecoboost in my 2020.

 

[jonnyutah187]

Seems like that might be the easiest thing to correct for.

I did some measuring and I don’t think these will work. Would need almost 36” for routing and the internal check valve isn't present.
I’m presently banking on Geoff. Though, MPT is still working on the mapping for the ecu.
Absolutely worst case scenario is a head swap.
The irony is how good it runs now, until there’s boost. The HPFP pressure instantly drops - even though it will maintain pressure at low rpms.

 

[mashtastic]

Gen 3 180k tear down

 

[91Eunos]

Gen 3 180k tear down

That brought back some memories.

Minus the burnt/cracked piston of course! LoL

 

[full-race geoff]

great video, thanks for sharing it! id love to acquire that burned up piston.