Steve-O
FRF Addict
Ok, i"ll start from the very beginning. Washed my truck last week (monday or tuesday) and popped the hood to spray off the engine. Took it for a ride to dry it off. When I pulled over to turn around, i got the "Service Advance Track", "Hill Descent Control Fault" and "Low Oil Pressure" lights. Then the truck died. Pulled the code on it (cant remember exactly what that code was) but it was something about the MAF sensor. Pulled it out, blew it off, thinking maybe it got a little wet and everything worked fine after that.
Saturday I went to the North Texas Raptor lunch and tour and during the offroading, i got the hill descent fault, advance track fault, and the wrench light. Ended up driving back home (1.5 hrs) in limp mode.
Sunday, I pulled the code again and got P0102, MAF circuit low. Cleaned the air filter (Volant Intake) and MAF sensor, cleaned out intake tube and box, I even ran it with no filter and still got the same code.
Monday I went to Ford and bought a new MAF sensor. Swapped parts right there in the parking lot, cleared the code, and it came right back on. Walked into the service dept (after setting the truck back to stock of course) and asked them to take a look. A few hours later they said the wires going to the MAF sensor were getting too hot and hard.
Tuesday they replaced those wires and are still getting codes. Then they started feeding me a bunch of ******** (explained later).
They have their Master Senior certified tech working on it and he's been talking with the engineers at Ford to try and resolve it. I got a printout of the discussion the dealer has been having with the engineer:
"Description of Vehicle Concern:
engine and wrench light is on
hilldesent fauls messages on dash
Diagnostics Performed:
eec test p0102,p0104 fallow ppt dc found fuel vaper valve leaking
self test abs system has c1280 and about 8 u-codes
Parts Replaced:
none
Technician's Question:
is results in engine light concern correct is there any farther testing needing done
the abs concern dont know where to start the concern goes away at speeds above 40mph and is back below 40 mph and less
Additional Comments
Comment From Ford Comment Date 11/11/2013 6:35:09 PM
Mark,
C1280 in the ABS module sets the ABS module senses a fault with the yaw rate sensor, which is integral to the RCM. It is recommended to address C1280 first by referring to the DTC chart in section 206-09 of the online WSM. If there are no RCM DTC's, it is recommended to perform pinpoint test P in section 206-09 of the online WSM.
If further assistance is needed, please update the form with all DTCs and the modules that set them, as well as the specific results from each step of the pinpoint test.
It is recommended to submit a contact to the Gas group for assistance with the engine and wrench light concern. The Gas group will be able to provide the best assistance possible.
Comment From: DEALER Comment Date: 11/12/2013 11:57:44 AM
Mark called in to discuss the pin point test P in section 206-09 of the WSM step 1. Mark also stated that this vehicle is highly modified with aftermarket steering and suspension components. Mark also stated that the fuel vapor valve is leaking along with DTCs P0102 and P0104 set in the PCM.
Comment From: Ford Comment Date: 11/12/2013 11:57:44 AM
Mark,
At this point, suspect the DTC C1280 setting due to installation of the aftermarket steering and suspension components. The aftermarket modifications can change the drive-line angles, and cause the ACCEL PIDs to be erratic setting DTC C1280. It is recommended to return the vehicle to stock and re-evaluate before attempting to perform and pin point test as the results will be inconclusive due to the aftermarket modifications.
Since you have noticed the leaking fuel vapor valve on at this time, it is recommended to replace the valve. Also ensure that no raw fuel has entered the canister. If so, the canister will require replacement as well and the all the related lines will need to be blown out (cleaned).
DTC P0104 and P0102 sets when there is a concern with the mass air flow sensors circuitry. Since there is an aftermarket air intake system, recommend closely inspecting the MAF sensors circuitry for any obvious signs repair or service done to the related circuitry, repair as necesary. If there are no signs of concerns with the circuitry, then please refer to the online PC/ED and perform pinpoint test DC. This test will accurately test the MAF circuitry and address DTCs P0102 and P0104, thank you."
This REALLY ****** me off because the only suspension modifications are top perch and outlaw frame supports with bump stops. There are absolutely 0 steering modifications made to the truck. That would be like saying I got a flat tire because I put new speakers in. The work theyve done so far has been covered under the extended warranty so I have to pay a $100 deductible. If I take it to another dealer, there goes another $100. On top of the $131 for a MAF sensor that didnt fix it. And gave me a rental car but now theyre taking it back because they wont give me one for the time it takes to diagnose the problem. So my question is, what the hell should I do?????????
Saturday I went to the North Texas Raptor lunch and tour and during the offroading, i got the hill descent fault, advance track fault, and the wrench light. Ended up driving back home (1.5 hrs) in limp mode.
Sunday, I pulled the code again and got P0102, MAF circuit low. Cleaned the air filter (Volant Intake) and MAF sensor, cleaned out intake tube and box, I even ran it with no filter and still got the same code.
Monday I went to Ford and bought a new MAF sensor. Swapped parts right there in the parking lot, cleared the code, and it came right back on. Walked into the service dept (after setting the truck back to stock of course) and asked them to take a look. A few hours later they said the wires going to the MAF sensor were getting too hot and hard.
Tuesday they replaced those wires and are still getting codes. Then they started feeding me a bunch of ******** (explained later).
They have their Master Senior certified tech working on it and he's been talking with the engineers at Ford to try and resolve it. I got a printout of the discussion the dealer has been having with the engineer:
"Description of Vehicle Concern:
engine and wrench light is on
hilldesent fauls messages on dash
Diagnostics Performed:
eec test p0102,p0104 fallow ppt dc found fuel vaper valve leaking
self test abs system has c1280 and about 8 u-codes
Parts Replaced:
none
Technician's Question:
is results in engine light concern correct is there any farther testing needing done
the abs concern dont know where to start the concern goes away at speeds above 40mph and is back below 40 mph and less
Additional Comments
Comment From Ford Comment Date 11/11/2013 6:35:09 PM
Mark,
C1280 in the ABS module sets the ABS module senses a fault with the yaw rate sensor, which is integral to the RCM. It is recommended to address C1280 first by referring to the DTC chart in section 206-09 of the online WSM. If there are no RCM DTC's, it is recommended to perform pinpoint test P in section 206-09 of the online WSM.
If further assistance is needed, please update the form with all DTCs and the modules that set them, as well as the specific results from each step of the pinpoint test.
It is recommended to submit a contact to the Gas group for assistance with the engine and wrench light concern. The Gas group will be able to provide the best assistance possible.
Comment From: DEALER Comment Date: 11/12/2013 11:57:44 AM
Mark called in to discuss the pin point test P in section 206-09 of the WSM step 1. Mark also stated that this vehicle is highly modified with aftermarket steering and suspension components. Mark also stated that the fuel vapor valve is leaking along with DTCs P0102 and P0104 set in the PCM.
Comment From: Ford Comment Date: 11/12/2013 11:57:44 AM
Mark,
At this point, suspect the DTC C1280 setting due to installation of the aftermarket steering and suspension components. The aftermarket modifications can change the drive-line angles, and cause the ACCEL PIDs to be erratic setting DTC C1280. It is recommended to return the vehicle to stock and re-evaluate before attempting to perform and pin point test as the results will be inconclusive due to the aftermarket modifications.
Since you have noticed the leaking fuel vapor valve on at this time, it is recommended to replace the valve. Also ensure that no raw fuel has entered the canister. If so, the canister will require replacement as well and the all the related lines will need to be blown out (cleaned).
DTC P0104 and P0102 sets when there is a concern with the mass air flow sensors circuitry. Since there is an aftermarket air intake system, recommend closely inspecting the MAF sensors circuitry for any obvious signs repair or service done to the related circuitry, repair as necesary. If there are no signs of concerns with the circuitry, then please refer to the online PC/ED and perform pinpoint test DC. This test will accurately test the MAF circuitry and address DTCs P0102 and P0104, thank you."
This REALLY ****** me off because the only suspension modifications are top perch and outlaw frame supports with bump stops. There are absolutely 0 steering modifications made to the truck. That would be like saying I got a flat tire because I put new speakers in. The work theyve done so far has been covered under the extended warranty so I have to pay a $100 deductible. If I take it to another dealer, there goes another $100. On top of the $131 for a MAF sensor that didnt fix it. And gave me a rental car but now theyre taking it back because they wont give me one for the time it takes to diagnose the problem. So my question is, what the hell should I do?????????
