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Dealer No Longer Fill Coolant/Poss Leak
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<blockquote data-quote="Old-Raptor-guy" data-source="post: 1807112" data-attributes="member: 52062"><p>Meh, I see their point, but only to a point. Please explain to me how you would ever find a leak that is a pint every 5000 miles (the loss of 32/1000's of an fluid ounce per mile). I am going to come out and say it, i tiny amount of coolant (probably more water really) is almost normal, or at least shouldn't be considered abnormal. </p><p></p><p>I learned this the hard way, let my experience help you if possible.</p><p></p><p>Back around 1989, I had the unfortunate opportunity to work on a mid 80's LTD II. It might seem ironic to say this NOW but at the time it was a very nice car extremely well maintained with about 40,000 miles. The car looked dang near new.</p><p></p><p>I was told that the customer was one of the best they had, and had purchased 10-12 Ford's over the years.</p><p></p><p>The LTD II came in with the complaint of coolant loss, a tiny amount between oil changes (this was well before degas bottles). The owner was METICULOUS beyond belief. he measured all fluid usage to the ounce.</p><p></p><p>After spending a lot of time over the course of a couple days I was unable to find any reason for any coolant loss.</p><p></p><p>The LTD II in question had a 3.8L V6. This to my knowledge was the first if not one of the first aluminum head iron block engines produced by FOMOCO (3.8 was based on the 302, v8 with 2 cylinders cut off, hence the 90 degree V instead of the standard 60 degree.)</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I was still pretty wet behind the ears and it was suggested to me that the head gaskets HAD to be the problem. The customer was in the loop the whole time and agreed to have head gaskets done. Six weeks after, he was back saying he was down 2 ounces of coolant again (same rate of loss as before) . I was then assumed by my boss that I must have done something wrong since I was young and new, so I did the head gaskets again. Same results. My "evaporation" idea was frowned upon, the customer said he never owned a vehicle the "used" coolant and that it was unacceptable. 3 months later I saw him driving a Toyota and to my knowledge he never returned to the dealership or bought another Ford.</p><p></p><p>Since then If I can't find a leak, no repair is made, coolant is filled and customer is advised to either keep an eye on it or stop by anytime for a fluid check.</p><p></p><p>For me the LTD II could have been handled better by just talking to the customer and explaining nothing obvious was found and to let it go and see if it manifested itself into something actually detectable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old-Raptor-guy, post: 1807112, member: 52062"] Meh, I see their point, but only to a point. Please explain to me how you would ever find a leak that is a pint every 5000 miles (the loss of 32/1000's of an fluid ounce per mile). I am going to come out and say it, i tiny amount of coolant (probably more water really) is almost normal, or at least shouldn't be considered abnormal. I learned this the hard way, let my experience help you if possible. Back around 1989, I had the unfortunate opportunity to work on a mid 80's LTD II. It might seem ironic to say this NOW but at the time it was a very nice car extremely well maintained with about 40,000 miles. The car looked dang near new. I was told that the customer was one of the best they had, and had purchased 10-12 Ford's over the years. The LTD II came in with the complaint of coolant loss, a tiny amount between oil changes (this was well before degas bottles). The owner was METICULOUS beyond belief. he measured all fluid usage to the ounce. After spending a lot of time over the course of a couple days I was unable to find any reason for any coolant loss. The LTD II in question had a 3.8L V6. This to my knowledge was the first if not one of the first aluminum head iron block engines produced by FOMOCO (3.8 was based on the 302, v8 with 2 cylinders cut off, hence the 90 degree V instead of the standard 60 degree.) Anyway, I was still pretty wet behind the ears and it was suggested to me that the head gaskets HAD to be the problem. The customer was in the loop the whole time and agreed to have head gaskets done. Six weeks after, he was back saying he was down 2 ounces of coolant again (same rate of loss as before) . I was then assumed by my boss that I must have done something wrong since I was young and new, so I did the head gaskets again. Same results. My "evaporation" idea was frowned upon, the customer said he never owned a vehicle the "used" coolant and that it was unacceptable. 3 months later I saw him driving a Toyota and to my knowledge he never returned to the dealership or bought another Ford. Since then If I can't find a leak, no repair is made, coolant is filled and customer is advised to either keep an eye on it or stop by anytime for a fluid check. For me the LTD II could have been handled better by just talking to the customer and explaining nothing obvious was found and to let it go and see if it manifested itself into something actually detectable. [/QUOTE]
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