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Cam Phaser/ Engine Failure Poll

Discussion in 'Ford Raptor Engine Discussion and Performance Mods' started by Bhollier, May 19, 2019.

Have you had or have a cam phaser or engine failure on your Gen 2?

  1. Yes

    21.7%
  2. No

    74.6%
  3. I don't have a Raptor but will still vote and comment

    3.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Snailedit

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    [QUOTE It's not a lemon just because it takes a long time to fix it. I'd ask for a loaner. That way you can at least put miles on something else for three months. They'll want to get your truck fixed ASAP to get the loaner/rental back too. Although if you really do want to get it lemon'ed research the laws of your sate carefully. Taking a loaner/rental may disqualify you from the lemon process- that happened to a Gen II owner here a year or so ago.[/QUOTE]

    Your right but under the Magnous-Moss Warranty Act isn't just about the length/time of repairs but also for mulitple repairs which take up personal time and added stress of owning the vehicle I have had. Sync, Panoroof, Transmisson (shifts), Intercooler pipe (broken), and Eco Rattle (cam phasers) are all things I have had to take the truck in for and I have only had 6 weeks (tech 3 because it has been the shop for 3 of the those 6 weeks). I literally just made the first payment and don't even have my truck.
     
  2. WraptorBoy

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    The only cheerleading he does is trying to prevent people from going off half cocked thinking every 3.5 ecoboost is going to fail. Anyone who reads every post in this thread, and has a level head, is using this thread as a source of info and probably as a starting point to decide whether they will buy the Raptor. As mentioned several times before, people tend to read/write one thing and fly off the handle about it because they generalize... exactly what you did in your post. And, as stated many times, people tend to report their issues to see if others are seeing the same to get an idea if it's only their truck or everyone's and that's what comprises a thread like this: everyone posting a similar problem so it seems like a huge issue.

    No one knows if they buy a Raptor if they will have the issue. If yes, unfortunately, it will be too late. As an example, if you bought a 2015 Lexus IS350 you'd have been SOL as well and would have had to have the dealer rip into your brand new engine and fix an internal issue.

    Anyone who reads the poll above and thinks that is the end all be all of this issue is an idiot. As mentioend before, there are around 300K F-150s (25k of those are Raptors) made a year with this engine.

    If this is a cam phaser epidemic, then Ford should issue a recall/TSB and prevent future vehicles from having it... unless there is a conspiracy to hide it. If there isn't, then it's been localized to bad parts and hopefully they aren't using the bad parts anymore. Again, no one but Ford knows. So far it seems to be mainly 2017-2018. Then again, it doesn't show up until 25K miles so 2017 and newer is really too soon to tell. Anything before 2017 is Gen 1 and not applicable because it was either the V8 or the gen 1 ecoboost, neither of which can be compared to the current gen 2 Raptor or ecoboost 3.5.

    Everyone needs to do their research and decide on their own if they will risk having the issue and what to do if they do have it.

    So far, the NHTSA has no recalls relating to this issue. And read the entire recall. They always specify the number of vehicles and period of when they were affected. There are only simple things like the doors opening while driving LOL.

    Bottom line: the more real info we have of empirical evicdence, the better decisions others can make, hence the reasons for these forums so keep it coming!
     
  3. smurfslayer

    smurfslayer Be vewwy, vewwy quiet. We’re hunting sasquatch77

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    Literally, less than 10 posts back-

    We’re just quibbling over numbers... and your desire to make this thread “a thing”.

     
  4. starkall

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    2017- 39k, no issues.


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  5. Mapleman

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    So got my truck back from the dealer that my co worker use to work at a recommendation me too. They basically did nothing for me. Said my ac belt was shredded. Replaced that and test drove. I still positive I need phasers again. So I guess I’ll wait till she comes apart.


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  6. WAC

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    Wish I would have known about these issues before I purchased a few months back.
    However, my father-in-law has a 3.5 Eco and it has 150k miles on it with no issues and he pulls a horse trailer.
    My neighbor has 80k on his 2015 3.5 Eco with no issues. These two people swear by these motors. So all of these mixed reviews with most being good are very interesting. Is it mostly Raptors because they are more performance oriented and a lot of folks hot rod them a lot?
     
  7. EricM

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    It's not that the engines are junk or that they are all unreliable. Far from it. The issue is they have a higher failure rate than Ford's other engine choices. You simply do not hear of these cam timing problems on the 5.0L Coyote or the 6.2L V8, or any other Ford engines. It's a recurring issue on the TT V6 EB engines though. Both on the Gen 1 engines and now on the Gen 2 engines.

    Ford Tech on YouTube has a series of videos on fixing the Gen 1 EB timing problems. He also has a series of videos on fixing the 5.4L 3V VVT solenoid issues. Both engines have issues that are common enough to need a multipart step-by-step repair process to be documented so people can do it themselves. We can all talk about anecdotal testimonies, but when the guys who fix them for a living say there are issues with them- then there are issues with them. Give it a decade and he'll have a series of videos on fixing the Gen 2 EB timing issues. Right now, the Gen 2 EB engines are still low mileage, fixed under warranty and therefore the failures are kept "in house and under wraps" for the most part. Once the trucks go out of warranty and people have to pay out of pocket to fix the issues that occur more frequently at high miles, the reputation of the engine changes quickly.
     
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  8. RaptorLF18

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    What do you think this sound is? I dropped my 2018 off at the dealer today. When I played the video for the service writer, he got me a rental and an appointment right away. For what it's worth, I posted this video in another discussion inadvertently. I deleted it and brought it here. Don't want anyone thinking I'm trolling. New to this.

     
  9. fur_pig

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    When I worked at Ford when the 5.4 3v came out and had a lot of cold engine ticking/rattle on start up etc. we called it the trifecta as it needed a phaser, valve body and VCT solenoid per bank. Those phasers had a clock spring and an series of veins that depending on which side of the vein the oil was directed, would advance or retard the timing. Originally this was a get around from having EGR yet also a significant way to improve power. I don't work there anymore but the noise was not detrimental to reliability per say but was worsened by poor maintenance, low oil viscosity, restrictions in the valvebody etc. The 3.5 ecoboost just was coming out when I left there but the fundamental operation of the VCT at that time on the 3.5 was the same as the 4.6 and 5.4 3v. I guess I just wanted to voice my 2 cents that the rattle/tick on start up isn't as life or death as this thread may make it seem. My 2018 doesn't do it but I'm sure if it did I'd be annoyed too.
     
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    Sounds like what mine had. They bought it back
     

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