2018 B&O Play System

Discussion in 'Ford Raptor Audio/Video/Electronics Forum [GEN 2]' started by lawdog, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. lawdog

    lawdog Full Access Member

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    As most of you know, Ford is ditching the shite Sony systems in 2018 to partner with Harman-owned B&O Play for its upgraded sound systems. Ford and Harman are promising an improvement over Sony, but does anyone know particulars about the F-150/Raptor system yet? I've seen reports of a 675w, 10 speaker description, I'm assuming single sub and a center channel.

    I ask because the only hard info I've been able to find on actual components was in these two articles on the debut of the system for media in the Fiesta:

    Ford reveal exclusive partnership with B&O PLAY: Your car audio will never sound the same again (review) - FLAVOURMAG

    Media Discover B&O PLAY Sound System in All-New Ford Fiesta at “Science of Soundâ€￾ | HARMAN

    This article says the 2018 Expedition will have a 12 speaker B&O Play system:

    2018 Ford Expedition Is The Ultimate Towing Machine! : Auto News : Auto World News

    I was on the fence about buying a late 2017 or ordering a 2018, and the option for a better stock sound system may tip the scales for me. The press review (shocker) was positive, but who knows. What have y'all heard/seen? Could it be any worse than the Sony?

    [EDIT - ADDED MY REVIEW NOW THAT I HAVE THE TRUCK]

    Well, it's been two weeks, and here's my amateur review of the B&O system:

    Overall, not bad, for a factory setup. I still haven't heard a Sony yet to see if it's better, but I assume so based on what others have said/what I've read.

    To me, and like almost all factory systems it seems, it has way too much mid-bass bias in stock modes. This system seems to push a lot of bass to the lower speakers in the front doors, instead of the sub. If you don't address/correct this, it gets awfully muddy/boomy. Like most, its output varies greatly by input. I'm not going to fuss over Am/FM or even satellite, due to the compression/vagaries of each.

    I was surprised at how little I could do with a good/well-recorded CD...making adjustments to the stock levels still couldn't mask the faults very well.

    The best thing I've found, like I did on the JBL in my Tundra, is to send a pre-equalized signal from a digital source...I use my iPod Classic via USB and/or iPhone via BT. For me, I get the best results sending the "Treble Booster" EQ mode, and then adjusting from there. On the Tundra, I would switch between that and the "Rock" EQ for certain types of music, but the B&O puts too much mid-bass in the Rock EQ setting, period. When I do this, I seem to be able to get good sounding output, with more real bass coming from the sub and not the lower door speakers. It's a little disappointing overall, but it's probably good enough that I won't undertake any changes, unless a much easier sub upgrade comes down the pike. It's not as good as the Mark Levinson system I had two vehicles ago in a Lexus GX, but it's certainly not the worst, and obviously not the reason you buy the truck.

    Some minor Sync/infotainment issues:

    1. The inability to change modes/sources from the steering wheel...dumb, dumb, dumb. Apparently, we have the handsfree button where the mode button is on all other Ford products. Still, there should be an audio/infotainment menu in the main gauge menus, wherein you could navigate source, tracklist, etc. My wife's Mercedes does this very easily. Ford fail here.

    2. The inability for scrolling through presets on radio to roll over to the next 6 presets without having to touch the nav screen...again, dumb. It's great to ahve 18 presets, but it sucks to have to reach over and touch the headunit to get to the next 6. My Tundra had like 40 presets for all you could mix how you liked and scroll through all easily. It's especially annoying on a source with many presets you actually use, like Sirius. Same for accessing HD sub-channels.

    3. As pointed out above, the entire steering wheel audio control system is needlessly spartan, limited in function/benefit, and poorly thought out. Making people repeatedly take their eyes off the road to look at/touch small parts of the nav screen is a bad idea. Again, an audio menu on the main menus/display would address nearly all of this, Ford.

    4. The Genres on an iPod are different/truncated on Ford's system....why? Would Apple Car Play solve that?

    5. Many factory systems allow for an EQ to be set for each source...this one does not, and it's definitely not "one size fits all" for each source.

    6. Like my Tundra, the Ford's radio reception, especially FM, is hampered by a device charging via USB. On many cars, this is not an issue. At least I'm used to this one.

    7. When playing a playlist/through a genre when you have it set on random play, a FF click will only go to the next song on the list, not a random selection. Again, nothing major, but kind of annoying/defeats the purpose of having it set on random when you hit a song/artist you're not in the mood for.

    8. System seems to "index" iPod at startup every time...I have a ton of songs on mine, so system will not let you browse beyond current track/playlist for quite a while. [EDIT] I have now found this to be pretty common SYBC issue with the iPod Classics...sucks that this glitch severely limits one of the most common digital music players on planet Earth.

    9. On the plus side, it is/plays louder than the JBL on my old 2014 Tundra, so yay for that.

    All said and done, I love the truck, and like the B&O...YMMV.
     
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  2. Sungod661

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    I cant lie the sony system is underwhelming so i would ventite to say it will likely be better
     
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    chi_weezy Full Access Member

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    I wouldn't get your hopes up. The current system sounded like complete trash. Nothing about $1200 aftermarket won't solve though. I wouldn't buy a Raptor for its sound system
     
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    Id say at this point, if you can hold off and the price is comparable, I'd wait. You may be happy with the B&O system and not want to upgrade, where Im sure you wont be with the sony. And unless you can do the work yourself, you will be lucky to get a good system upgrade for $1200. The sony system is complete crap from chintzy speakers to the pathetic EQ curves chosen by the designer. This is a LONG overdue change!

    Plus, they may get some bugs worked out of the 10 speed too.
     
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    Considering what likely isn't changing for 2018 (size and location of speakers), I don't know that it will be too drastic of a change. In reality the Sony system is only Sony speakers and amp. The rest is Ford SYNC3. I suspect the B&O speakers and amp will be better, but not drastically. When the aftermarket companys do OEM systems they throttle them back, primarily because of the OEM budget restrictions. They also all clip at high volume because the MFG doesnt want to replace blown speakers under warranty. I think you'd see better sound from an aftermarket amp and speakers.
     
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  6. smurfslayer

    smurfslayer Be vewwy, vewwy quiet. We’re hunting sasquatch77

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    Crash makes some good points. The sony system lacks some high end clarity, and solid bass. Seeing the speakers, I understand why. I’m sure the new system won’t be a step down, but have realistic expectations.

    I doubt the new system will have adequate bass anyway, but that’s an easy and inexpensive fix.
     
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    If your buying a Raptor for its sound system you might as well look for something else. You can always change out the sound system and add a subwoofer yourself.
     
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    Of course I'm not buying a Raptor for the sound system, but, all other things being equal, I'm trying to hedge a 2017 with a known crappy system vs. a 2018 that may have one I can live with better. I really don't want to spend another $1,500-3,000 on a new system. The primary issue for me with ordering a 2018 is, can I get delivery in 2017 or not? I just wanted to see if anyone knew any more than I could find out there about the B&O Play system.
     
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    I usually dont have my system on because I love listening to all 8 cylinders just raping the tailpipe...Something GEN2 guys dont understand with that pussy fart of an exhaust. :baby:
     
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    Sad thing is, you've got to listen to the GEN 2 exhaust all the time because you're trailing behind :biggrin:
     
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