The Detroit Auto Show - New Raptor Unveiling Thread

Rockafella said:

GM's V8's have always gotten way better MPG than Fords. This isn't new news. 550rwhp N/A vettes getting 30mpg while similiar hp boosted cobras pray for 20. Those big ol' pushrod engines are full of torque and surprisingly efficient - especially now w/ the addition of direct injection - simple as that.



Let's please stop saying this. Completely different set-ups. One's made for high-revs and horsepower - the other for low-end torqe and mid-range. There will be completely different turbo's w/ different a/r's, cam specs, and possibly even intake runners, etc... You won't be a few mods away from 600+hp - it's just not going to happen.

Now yes, maybe the shortblock will be the same and maybe it'll be able to hold 600+hp, but it will take more than just a few mods - in addition to what Ford will be providing us w/ to get it there.

As for now - I'll keep enjoying my tuned 6.2 w/ its Roush. Instant TQ and sounds like a truck. Although I do like the looks of the gen 2... Please for the life of God explain to me why the huge FORD across the front isn't enough - does it really have to be huge as shit on the tailgate too?? Just give me the oval w/ FORD written on it for the rear. The front grill gets the point across.

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Rockafella said:

GM's V8's have always gotten way better MPG than Fords. This isn't new news. 550rwhp N/A vettes getting 30mpg while similiar hp boosted cobras pray for 20. Those big ol' pushrod engines are full of torque and surprisingly efficient - especially now w/ the addition of direct injection - simple as that.

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Rockafella said:

Good points but it's simply the result of more moving parts and identity that we're providing more technology by matching performance from a lesser displacement. Look at bmw's 5L V10 that they put into the M series cars. They were N/A'd 5L engines w/ 500hp and did so w/ ease. - they also got a bit fewer mpg than Fords 400hp 5L coyote engines. GM on the other hand was putting 505hp N/A 7L LS7's in C6 Z06's a decade ago and u could get 550rwhp w/ bolt-one (600+ crank hp) and that thing would still manage 30-31 mpg - the funny thing was that it really weighed no more than the other two 5Liter engines.

Ford could easily provide the same 6.2L displacement as in the gen 1 Raptors w/ better heads and direct injection - and surpass the 450 hp mark and get much better mpg (especially w/ the 10speed transmission and the truck being lighter) - but they have clearly missed the mark. I guess that would have hurt the rest of the "ecoboost" line in the other F150's.


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Jimbo said:

Uhh... BMW still has a V8TT. Between the I6TT and the V8TT, they both carbon the valves around 40K, have turbo oiling issues, injector issues, and more fun stuff...

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Raptor911 said:

Damn! GRRR!!

ok .. ok .... I am wrong but BMW did remove the v8 from the M3 and went back to the straight 6 with TT.

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