Hidden Costs of Adding SC?

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e-30 is not safe on a SCed raptor with a tune for 93. What works on NA is not the same for SC. e30 will require a higher duty cycle on injectors and its possible when SCed that you will not have enough injector if you are close to the limits with 93 octane. Then there is the changes in AF that would have to also be addressed once you were sure you had enough injector
 

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safe for engines I have no idea about sc er's. I use e-30 in all my gas engines never had any stop working. even 2 cycle yep I mix it and put it in my ice auger weed eater.

---------- Post added at 11:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 PM ----------

I also use it in my 1998 evanrude but I did have to set the carb on that. and my old 83 grain truck carb had to be reset.
 

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Which will still give you around 14mpg at 75-85mph vs the 12 mpg you get on 87. 93 vs 87 will give you close to 2 mpg, regardless of speed. In my Scab (before my tire swap) I would consistently get 350-360miles per tank on 91 and just short of 300miles on 87, at best.

I'm not sure why you want to use 87 so badly. In my experience it works out to the same amount of money spent to go the same distance. Why would you not want to go that distance at the best available power/torque/performance? Especially when towing. Extra power is only going to help your mileage while towing!

It's just my take on it, but if fuel economy is any kind of concern for you in the slightest, why are you even considering a SC?
 

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The reason I have money to spend is that I try not to throw it out the window. If I can get better gas mileage on 87 while driving long distances then I am sure as hell going to do that. Now when SC'd same thing goes just with different fuels. Why would you not run VP116 all day then so that you could always have the highest performance? Well everything is balance of what you gain vs what it costs you. Not everything is money related as far as positives & negatives.

I will not be running E85 with the idea that it will cost me less than 93 octane, the fact is that E85 will cost me alot less than running 103 or 99 octane race fuel, so it will make it feasible to basically run a race gas equivalent fuel and the matching tune on the street all the time when I am in S FL. But would swap to a 93 tune when traveling so I would not have to seek out e85 stations just to fuel up when outside my normal area.

And extra power helping when towing really depends on what you are towing and what the gradients are. When things are flat it really does not take much to keep things moving and that extra power really would not be needed, but having a tune that optimizes the powerband and shifts would make much more of a difference than octane.
 

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Well first off, you're never going to get "better" mileage running 87. It isn't going to happen. You may (and I stress MAY) end up paying slightly less per mile for 87, but it's likely going to be less than a cent per mile. Are you really going to sit there and tell me that a fraction of a cent per mile isn't worth the increased hp/torque? Here's a cost vs performance equation to consider: 91/93 octane will cost you $0.31/mile and provide you with 411hp and 87 octane will cost you $0.31/mile and provide 400 (or less) hp. So which one would be the better choice? Price per Gallon DOES NOT EQUAL Price per Mile! Price per mile is the only cost that matters when determining how much you're spending on your vehicle for fuel.

Secondly, when did I ever say anything about running race fuel, or e-85 for that matter? I've never run either and never claimed to know anything about them whatsoever. The vehicle is not certified by ford to run either fuel types. Whether or not you choose to follow that is up to you. Some will say it's perfectly fine (with a correct tune) others will say it could be extremely risky. That's a whole can of worms (and several hundred pages worth of already existing argument) I'm not going to get into here. Do what you want there. All I was getting at is that you seemed to be more concerned about your cost per tank, which has little to do with your actual fuel economy. You want to put a SC in and run E-85 through it and if you end up with a lower fuel bill at the end of the year, great! The fact is, a SC generally doesn't lower your fuel costs (e-85 not withstanding, since not that many, that I know of, run it in there SC'd Raptors).

Of course a tune is going to help a lot, but are you trying to compare an economy tune for 87 to the factory tune when running 93, or what? (Thats apples to oranges) A custom tune for 87 versus a custom tune for 93 is going to show you the same performance differences that you would see between the two fuel types at stock.
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Stock tune 87=12mpg, 93=14mpg
Custom tune 87=13mpg, 93=15mpg.

So again, even towing on a flat grade, how are you possibly going to get better economy running 87 versus 93? Tune or not?

Don't believe me? Do an experiment for yourself. Download the Car Care fuel/maintenance tracker app
and use it to track your fuel and costs. Start by tracking 5-6 tanks worth of 87 then switch to 93 and track another 5-6 tanks. Then go into the vehicle stats and read the results for yourself.

I'm not trying to be an ******* or anything, but it really seems like you're not understanding what I'm saying. There are no positives to running 87 when compared to 91/93. On the rare occasion where 87 would work out to be cheaper per mile than 91/93 (which isn't very often), well, that begs the question, why aren't you running 89(10%ethanol) Then? Not sure how the prices are for it in Miami, but here it's almost always $0.10 or so cheaper per gallon than 87 and gives a fuel economy mid way between 87 and 91/93. That easily makes it the most cost effective fuel of the three basic readily available types. You don't want to throw your money out the window? Then why aren't you running 89?
 

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So the super charger comes with everything except Coolant and spark plugs (recommended) I just installed one last week. Easy install and great customer service. The bolt on the rear pass side is a PITA.
 
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