SCAB to SCREW?

Yf22jet said:

The scab will always be the “original raptor”. Off-road the smaller size is definitely helpful and the better break over angle can keep you from having some teeth clenching sounds come out from under your truck. Arguably the scab also looks better. If it’s not your thing that’s fine but to say it has no place is a bit of a stretch. It’s a better truck off-road, but the majority of raptors won’t be used off-road all that often if ever. For an over landing build the screw probably makes more sense(depending on where you’re going) but for most other instances the scab will be better suited. The way I view it is a lot like manual transmissions in non sports cars. It might not be the most practical thing for day to day use, but it’s kinda cool and can enable some fun.

On another note in what world is the raptor primarily a utilitarian truck lol. I love it but it can’t haul or tow nearly as well as a regular half ton, and everywhere it can go you also could take almost any 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck with minor modifications done to it. The raptor will simply get there faster and more comfortably. The raptor really isn’t about utility it’s about fun. The practicality as a daily driver is kind of just a bonus.

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Nah don't try & make apples to apples comparison between having a smaller cab, shorter wheelbase, 30% less fuel capacity, 2k less towing ability & 200 lbs less payload (which in most discussions would be minor- BUT not w/ a Raptor where its common practice to drop $2k on the rear suspension just to avoid aesthetic sag/wear on the rear shocks due to heavy bed load or tongue weight) - the break/departure angles are extremely close between the 2, the 12" of length I'm sure would be a hinderance in SOME offroad situations, but the biggest issue offroading a Raptor where I live in the NE aint the length its the width & to lesser extent height

A manual tranny is an option that drastically changes the entire dynamic, "feel", purpose, & overall driving experience in general for ANY vehicle.....I think the only connection/analogy to be made between the SCAB option on a Raptor & a manual tranny would be a) possibly slight decrease in MSRP, b) potential knock on resale value down the road - OR similar to the SCAB option, a possible positive sales point if you find the right buyer in private party sale.

I guess I just really struggle to see any argument that you "gain" anything (offroad worthiness included) other than pleasing one's aesthetic preference - and I actually have zero argument w/ that right there, at the end of the days its your $$$ to do as you please & sometimes "value" is in the eye of the beholder too I suppose.....but trying to use any other case to argue why you'd take a SCAB over SCREW & I'll disagree. Market speaks for itself - as do the specifications

tooloud10 said:

Thanks, I'm glad at least a couple of people seem to understand why this is kind of a ridiculous notion. I think some are confusing the extra 'character' of driving the Raptor with the idea that it makes it like a sports car.



I have a 911 and an M3 and you'll see owners debating whether they even count as sports cars these days, rather than GT cars. Also have a Miata that's 100% a sports car and is the polar opposite of the Raptor.

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Yeah agreed.....I think the 911/M3 crowd may be a little spoiled.....def can see a cause for complaint w/ the M3 (can you still get manual trans?) but while BMW may not be churning out the same kind of sporty enthusiast cars they used to, the M3 is still an excellent driver's car, the 911.......don't porsche owners ALWAYS complain when changes are made?

Miata is a very good example indeed of what good handling means out of a sports car

I have 720whp/580rwtq C5Z w/ alot of suspension/chassis upgrades to go along w/ the power running on Toyo R888Rs 315s.........I'm sure you sometimes feel the same way, but if you've been driving your M3 or Raptor consistently quite a bit & then jump into the other it takes a little time to acclimate, sometimes I find myself braking way too late in the Raptor lol

I owned an original 2010 SCAB for 8 years, so I also wanted a Gen 2 SCAB when the time came for an upgrade. I did not think I needed the extra room, or the bigger gas tank, plus I really liked the look of the shorter truck. It pulled my 4000 lb boat and jet skis just fine and I rarely had back seat passengers. There were a couple of occasions when I could have used a larger area behind my seat, but not that often.

As the OP stated, it was nearly impossible to find an 802A SCAB with all of the features I wanted and I was looking in a 1000 mile radius. I finally test drove a Gen 2 SCREW out of desperation and found it was not bad at all. SCREWS were very plentiful at the time and even though dealers were still getting MSRP, I found a couple who were willing to go $1500 under with the features I wanted. After a couple more weeks of searching for a reasonable SCAB, I finally pulled the trigger on the SCREW. To make up for the longer look of the SCREW, I quickly added Geisers up front, Deaver +3s in the back and 37” tires. They balance out the longer truck perfectly.

Fast forward to today and I am glad I made the decision to upgrade to the larger size. We have used the back seat area many times for items that never would have fit in the SCAB. I have had two bikes at once many times, large furniture when it was raining and 7 people crammed in for short trips into town. The extra 10 gallon tank has been wonderful on the long trips across Texas, so I only have to stop when I want to rather then when my truck is almost out of gas. I have not noticed much difference off road, other than a few occasions where turns were tighter then expected and as a bonus, I was able to tow my 6800 lb TT in an emergency before my new Tremor arrived.

I sold my SCAB at asking price in less than a week because it was in almost perfect condition with less than 40,000 miles after 8 years. When the time comes to sell my Gen 2 SCREW, I hope it sells just as fast.

Badgertits said:

Nah don't try & make apples to apples comparison between having a smaller cab, shorter wheelbase, 30% less fuel capacity, 2k less towing ability & 200 lbs less payload (which in most discussions would be minor- BUT not w/ a Raptor where its common practice to drop $2k on the rear suspension just to avoid aesthetic sag/wear on the rear shocks due to heavy bed load or tongue weight) - the break/departure angles are extremely close between the 2, the 12" of length I'm sure would be a hinderance in SOME offroad situations, but the biggest issue offroading a Raptor where I live in the NE aint the length its the width & to lesser extent height

A manual tranny is an option that drastically changes the entire dynamic, "feel", purpose, & overall driving experience in general for ANY vehicle.....I think the only connection/analogy to be made between the SCAB option on a Raptor & a manual tranny would be a) possibly slight decrease in MSRP, b) potential knock on resale value down the road - OR similar to the SCAB option, a possible positive sales point if you find the right buyer in private party sale.

I guess I just really struggle to see any argument that you "gain" anything (offroad worthiness included) other than pleasing one's aesthetic preference - and I actually have zero argument w/ that right there, at the end of the days its your $$$ to do as you please & sometimes "value" is in the eye of the beholder too I suppose.....but trying to use any other case to argue why you'd take a SCAB over SCREW & I'll disagree. Market speaks for itself - as do the specifications

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So I guess what I'm hearing is that, a SCREW works better for you. Excellent. For those of us that don't live at the end of 2 miles of dirt road and have enough room in the driveway to fit a 4 door Raptor along side of the boat and tractor we'll just have to make do with a SCAB. Being 4 blocks from the sand here in LA we tend to have small garages that simply won't fit a SCREW and I'm not going to leave it in my driveway. You might as well just leave the keys in it. I came from an F150 Lariat SCAB that fit in my garage but trucks have become much longer and larger over the years and if I wanted to stay with a full sized truck, it was my only option. At our house in NorCal space isn't an issue but we are not there as much as we'd like. I didn't have to look and compare resale value, gas tank size or towing/payload capacities. I live amongst a dense population of McLaren's and it's the Raptor SCAB that sticks out from the crowd.

policedutchdog said:

So I guess what I'm hearing is that, a SCREW works better for you. Excellent. For those of us that don't live at the end of 2 miles of dirt road and have enough room in the driveway to fit a 4 door Raptor along side of the boat and tractor we'll just have to make do with a SCAB. Being 4 blocks from the sand here in LA we tend to have small garages that simply won't fit a SCREW and I'm not going to leave it in my driveway. You might as well just leave the keys in it. I came from an F150 Lariat SCAB that fit in my garage but trucks have become much longer and larger over the years and if I wanted to stay with a full sized truck, it was my only option. At our house in NorCal space isn't an issue but we are not there as much as we'd like. I didn't have to look and compare resale value, gas tank size or towing/payload capacities. I live amongst a dense population of McLaren's and it's the Raptor SCAB that sticks out from the crowd.

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Yeah that makes sense & it’s a unique scenario of sorts where it’s be worth giving up some utility for compactness- just from my perspective (& based on market demand many others) the benefits of the screw style def outweigh the benefits of the scab I guess.

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My patrol dog is a Dutch Shepherd Dog.

Gdog said:

Another viewpoint does not constitute a "heated debate" bro. Scab folks are not looking for a screw and we all have our reasons. I sure as hell don't worry about comfort and room for gear ever. If I need to carry 10 gallons of gas its no biggy IMO. As for towing I tow snowmobiles and my fishing boat just fine and I'm at 8200 ft elevation. My gen 1 was a scab and worked great for my needs that's why I went with a gen 2 scab. If I was towing heavy I get a tremor or super duty diesel. So it boils down to need versus wants here.

Your signed up LOL

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The dealers around here have lots of XL and XLT SCABS but only get Raptor SCREWS so I ordered both of my Gen 2 SCABS. I have no need for a soccer mom truck.

Badgertits said:

lol COME ON - here’s the deal, I think what people perceive as good handling in the raptor is really just surprisingly communicative steering from a truck that’s unexpected given it’s size & tire setup, but it’s mostly artificial- all of it- you actually look at skid pad numbers, 60-0 braking, & try some last second high speed jerky maneuvers & you’ll be greeted w/ the realization that the raptor is, in fact, quite literally & irrefutably one of the worst handling vehicles on the road today lol!!!

Hop in an M2, Civic-R, S2000, GT350, 1LE camaro, GS vette, cayman-s, etc. & blast around for a while then tell me the words “good handling” & “raptor” belong in the same stratosphere.

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I have, I own a couple. In Sport mode, with the dampeners set more aggressive and the engine perked up, the Raptor flat out handles for being a fat, lifted, pig.

Mind you, it’s not on the same level as the aforementioned, but it’s no slouch. You do have to work much harder to get it to do what you need it to do as well. But on a spirited back road, I’m confident in it. Bring the spooli-Boi’s up and dial in the throttle accordingly, the ass squats and the truck rotates through the corner nicely.

I’m not saying it’s going to give a Spec Miata car a run for its money, but it isn’t your typical lifted with 35s weeble wobble either.

policedutchdog said:

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My patrol dog is a Dutch Shepherd Dog.

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What a cutie. He's a lover huh? Lol

Mister Pinky said:

I have, I own a couple. In Sport mode, with the dampeners set more aggressive and the engine perked up, the Raptor flat out handles for being a fat, lifted, pig.

Mind you, it’s not on the same level as the aforementioned, but it’s no slouch. You do have to work much harder to get it to do what you need it to do as well. But on a spirited back road, I’m confident in it. Bring the spooli-Boi’s up and dial in the throttle accordingly, the ass squats and the truck rotates through the corner nicely.

I’m not saying it’s going to give a Spec Miata car a run for its money, but it isn’t your typical lifted with 35s weeble wobble either.

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hmmmm OK- yes I guess we can agree, “it handles remarkably well for being a 6k lb lifted 4x4 Baja truck on massively wide & squishy 35” AT tires & all the weight over the tall front end”

and it does- if I’m comparing it to my old 07 Chevy or ‘15 GMC on 33”s it’s def on a whole different level....but I think the AL body on these Ford’s gives them better handling in general b/c the weight is naturally more concentrated toward the “inside” center of the vehicle....I believe it really makes a diff in the rear 1/2 of the truck, if not supremely obvious on actual paper performance #s compared to other 1/2 tons, I agree the “feel” overall behind the wheel if better handling

I also think trucks “feel” like they handle better when equipped w/ thicker sidewall tires despite that typically being the opposite on most vehicles, trucks w/ the higher center of gravity, leaf spring, solid axle, & tendency for wheel hop & getting unsettled in the rear under cornering actually perform/handle better in real world conditions on the street- especially b/c most trucks (even “sport” edition ones) really have the same basic suspension setups all around- not so w/ the raptor & also why a bimer will handle better w/ 1/4” sidewall summer tires & worse on 2” sidewall all seasons (among others) but feels the opposite in practice on a truck unless the suspension is heavily overhauled.