GEN 2 Need Transmission rebuild/replace. Recommendations on best route?

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@FrankL1

Sir, thank you. Candor and honesty are refreshing.

I simply am saddened when I see posters suggesting that one should try to switch wheels to make things look like you didn’t have 37” tires.

If you need a 3/4 ton, I would recommend you have a reputable shop install a remanufactured—ideally with a transferable warranty (to next owner).

From there, trade in the Raptor—as even with 63k and replaced transmission, the market for Raptors is good enough that I would bet that you could find a 3/4 of your liking and come out well.

Find a respected independent mechanic to look things over for you (after you have the transmission redone)—and of course look over the 3/4 ton you may be looking at.

Overall, I wish you the best of success. Lots of great vehicles out there.


I agree and believe it’s the best policy. I couldn’t be happier with the response and the way you represent and carry yourself.
Though I jokingly acknowledged the idea, I wouldn’t think to follow with such a foul movement. And for joking, I do send my apologies.
In the end, we’ll eventually need the help of said business (extended warranty/financial lender, etc), and why discredit ourselves for something that has a solution.

As for your recommendations,
I appreciate the thought and input you’ve set for my specific scenario.
I believe I may go with a reman/new(from the dealerships I called, pricing fluctuate quite a bit, it would come down to which has better warranty).
For a side note, I’m choosing to go those routes due to the transmission that was on the truck is showing signs of surface rust on certain pieces and build up on residual oil(heavy wind over the weekend, I’m assuming dust and particles from crevices in garage), being said, I think that would be the safest and least of headaches.
I’ll be sure to have a trusted mechanic look over the Raptor and as well, like you stated on the new purchase of the following truck if it is used.

Hopefully I can get a good deal once/if trade-in does happen. Or I may stick with it, time will tell.


I’m pleased to have met you and everyone in this community. It’s been a grand of help. Thank you.




Best wishes!
 
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From what I’m told a service would be dropping the pan and replacing the filter then topping back off. A flush will hurt the transmission as in my case. I was so lucky Ford recommended it and I had proof of everything. They also replace with a new trans, cooler and converter due to the time frame to receive parts was 3 months. I was told between $11-13k. Never seen the actual invoice tho. good luck.


I believe I do have some recollection of that previously being mentioned. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but by flushing the transmission, it causes all shavings/particles to get pushed back of the trans and causing failure shortly after x time/miles.
I have heard of mechanics(non-dealer) that drop the pan, replace the filter consecutively (I believe twice total)to get most of the gunk out. I don’t know how much truth holds to this or the effectiveness of it.
But I’m glad it was all documented and you were able to get it replaced at no cost! 13k is a pretty penny to pay.
Thank you for your reply!
 
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I know another member told you who FTO was and I apologize for not spelling it out. He along with many forum members are a Godsend for input, information and just plain old advice based on what they have been through. I know that I have learned so much from this forum and so have many others, and you can`t beat the occasional ballbusting and other humor that is used to lighten a bad situation.

I wish you the best with your truck, I did look around and there are several big aftermarket companies who have done engine and transmission swaps from new to used trucks. It might save you a ton of money if you went that route. Just paying for the part and have a reputable shop install it. The link I put up was for a trans and transfer case with less than 500 miles on it and the shipping was free and the price was negotiable, I just don't know if you could use a 2020 trans in your truck

Thank you and no worries at all. Everyone here, including yourself have been beyond helpful in this journey I’ve had and it’s definitely reassuring having a community like this to assist with anything they offer. And for that I am grateful to be joining a forum like this.

I am considering new/reman but for that specific 2020 transmission/transfer case, and it’s mileage, I think it’s also worth a look. I hope I can pinpoint if it would work with my 2017. I will follow your recommendation and contact FTO and go from there.
Thank you!
 
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I have only had dealer drop pan and change filter on my gen 1 and 14 ecoboost every 25,000 miles. No flush

If I may ask, is it because you asked them to specifically do so or they recommended only to drop and replace filter?
 

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Failures caused by:
(4) any part designated for "off-road only" that is not installed by the manufacturer, including, but not limited to, lift kits, oversized tires,

Not to threadjack but just because there are non OEM parts within the drive train, north or south of the problem, ONLY represents a data point to a vehicle inspection, NOT evidence. The problem here is that the analysis ended at “you have 37’s. F*ck you and your warranty”.

That’s not quite what is supposed to happen. All due respect to @FordTechOne, I have some court room experience, unfortunately, in this regard and disagree with his assessment as it was typed. The presence of larger tires, while called out in the manual, is not cause for a warranty denial of ANY powertrain failure. Rather, it must be determined to a reasonable standard of confidence by a certified technician that the presence of the offending part:
1) is not coincidental to the failure
2) is causative or a leading contributing factor incident to the failure
3) there is not / are not OTHER contributing factors which may have led to the failure.

If ANY one of the above 3 points is missed, there is a legitimate legal claim of violation of the warranty terms of service. Even if the Tech declares the above 3 are true, you may well find an expert witness willing to dispute the claim. I was able to do this successfully, however the last tech to review my lemon law truck (not a Ford) did not agree or disagree with the corporate counsel. He was asked to find abuse and he wouldn’t say either way. My expert witness laid out a better case than the mfgr.

A good example would be 37’s and the cam phaser park failure. Is it really the position of anyone here that 37’s cause, contributed to or were even minimally involved in the ubiquitous cam phaser park issue? I mean, if 37’s are such a big deal, then clearly any truck with 37’s should have the entire powertrain warranty voided on the spot, rather than to conduct the cam phaser repair under warranty, AMIRIGHT?

Of course, that’s absurd. There was a known parts defect resulting in the failure. Even the presence of a tune on a truck pushing 550 rwhp - there is still a known parts defect on some early build trucks.

Here, the transmission failed, I would say catastrophically. In any drive train there is a weak link that acts as the fuse. What’s the evidence of other powertrain component damage? Where is the excessive wear on components? If the transmission was so compromised by 37’s, the u joints ought to be well and truly shagged.

Now, could there be additional drivetrain wear and stress induced by 37’s as opposed to the stock size tires? Yes. My point here is that it’s not a simplistic, binary issue that the presence of any aftermarket, non OEM part in the drive train isn’t an automatic ‘you have no warranty’ claim and anyone saying that is trying to F*ck you like a *****.
 

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OP,

With the options and pricing from other Ford dealers for transmissions, perhaps you can take advantage of that if your local dealer will price match. Pending what the itemized estimate was for the transmission, if you want them to do the repair or swap in a reman unit, it may payoff to at least ask them to price match if their price is more expensive for the same part.
 

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OP,

With the options and pricing from other Ford dealers for transmissions, perhaps you can take advantage of that if your local dealer will price match. Pending what the itemized estimate was for the transmission, if you want them to do the repair or swap in a reman unit, it may payoff to at least ask them to price match if their price is more expensive for the same part.
If you look on TASCA`S website they show a transmission for a 19 Raptor at $2269 plus a core charge of $1000 which you get back after you send your old one back.
I don`t know how complete it is but it's the only one listed for a 19 Raptor
 
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