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FordTechOne said:

A cam phaser is used to adjust camshaft timing while the engine is running; it is part of the camshaft sprocket. They operate using oil pressure and are used on both the 6.2 and 3.5, as well as every other modern engine. When the engine is shut off, the cam phaser is supposed to “park” so that cam timing remains locked during the next engine start. Once oil pressure reaches the phasers, the locking pin disengages and the timing can be controlled.

A small percentage of the earlier phasers (Pre 07/18) were not built with tolerances by the supplier, which can cause them not to lock properly on engine shutdown. When the engine is restarted, the phaser makes noise until oil pressure is received, which takes a couple seconds. It does not result in engine damage, only a noise. All of the ones I’ve seen have been faulty within the 5/60 powertrain warranty so the repair cost was fully covered.

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Thanks! I learn something everyday (and that's hard for me...LOL!).

Spinothalamic said:

I already told them to take $500 off and they said no. If you take away my high TN taxes, I was going to get this truck for $41.239 plus ttl. Not too bad, but I have to stand my ground or I’ll always feel like I got ripped off a set of tires.

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I don't get what the deal is with dealer's showing messed up trucks these days AND then asking the same price a good condition truck is going for. A buyer is going to ask you to sort it out no matter what. Maybe some dummy isn't going to, but when you're paying around 50K+ for a truck, people care. My dad and I drove like 30 miles early in the morning to see a truck and it had a dent in the tailgate they didn't photograph but should have seen. They never mentioned it and didn't even seem to care that we drove out all that way because of that. My dad liked the truck so he gave an offer provided they fix it, and they were unwilling to do so. It looked like they hit it with a forklift. Uh no thanks. Sell a proper truck first and then you can ask for the same price others are asking for. This is why people hate dealers. They don't do business like any other people do. They just wait for a proper idiot to come by. And because of that, most of those trucks just sat on the lot for months. The good deals were gone quickly.

oh Waaaa..... ;-)

In my highly prized and always absolute opinion, I say:

So,
1. Sometimes the front shocks are clunky on these things. One of mine was totally blown, and it still drove sort of okay...
2. If you buy your own tires, you get the tires you want, not the tires they pick... Mine had the stock k02's, which I thought were crap.
3. Is it that the 2012 is a 6.2, so it sounds like a truck is supposed to sound? (that was a thing for me. I went from 600+ hp 2017 ecoboost to a stock-ish 13 gen 1 because of it)
4. Stock shocks from the internet aren't all that spendy, neither are good tires... It's all considered consumables nowadays anyway.

All that being said... I bought my 13 lead foot scab for 26k, then put new stock shocks all the way around, (1100), all new tires (35" falken wildpeak a/t's for 1200) and ****, it's a pickup thats fun, drives good, does fun shit off road, and it makes me grin. My daughters call it the douchmobile and my grandkids think it's the greatest thing ever.

At the end of the day I paid too much for it because ALL pickups are overpriced now, and these things are even worse because they have all the silly assed fancy teenager crap that we like. If you're trying to apply adult thinking to buying one of these trucks, you're buying the wrong truck..

I'd say, just sit down, close your eyes for sec, and think about which one will make you grin better. It may be as simple as how the shifter feels in your hand, or as complex as the entire performance spectrum at full throttle on the sand at 75 in the whoops. Just feel for the grin, then go buy it and don't look back. It's just a thing. If you decide you want a different toy, do that after you've played with this toy for a while...

We're all old enough to know there are damned few things in life that you absolutely have to have two of at the same time in order to enjoy them. Pickups are not on that list for me.

I have spoken.

Spinothalamic said:

I noticed a slight clunk in the front end of the gen 1. The truck is nice otherwise, but has 117k on the clock. The salesman assured me that is how all raptors sound in the front end. I would still buy that truck, but for like $10k less than current price.

I negotiated a deal on a gen2 that I drove today, only to find out it needs new tires within a few months. Not cool. They refused to put on tires so I left. Bummer. It was a very clean truck.

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You walked because a used truck needed tires?

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Richard Hinsley said:

You walked because a used truck needed tires?

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No, I walked because I expect a dealership to have new tires on a truck. Dealerships claims all day everyday that they charge a premium on used vehicles because you know they have gone through them and reconditioned them where needed. I negotiated my deal, sight unseen, on good faith that that was the case. It wasn’t. If they would even lower the price half the cost of a set of tires I’d wrap it up today.

Spinothalamic said:

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No, I walked because I expect a dealership to have new tires on a truck. Dealerships claims all day everyday that they charge a premium on used vehicles because you know they have gone through them and reconditioned them where needed. I negotiated my deal, sight unseen, on good faith that that was the case. It wasn’t. If they would even lower the price half the cost of a set of tires I’d wrap it up today.

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Was this truck a CPO? If not and a dealer is just selling it on there used lot, then I wouldn’t expect it to be gone through and inspected and tires put on it.

K223 said:

Was this truck a CPO? If not and a dealer is just selling it on there used lot, then I wouldn’t expect it to be gone through and inspected and tires put on it.

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Good question. Can they sell CPO with that kind of mileage on it? They told me the tires meet safety specs, but if it were my truck, I would replace them immediately.

Spinothalamic said:

Good question. Can they sell CPO with that kind of mileage on it? They told me the tires meet safety specs, but if it were my truck, I would replace them immediately.

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I personally do not know the requirements for a vehicle to qualify as a CPO. But that’s true, A dealer or at least a quality reset should not sell a vehicle worn out tires. While these are not worn out, they sound like there almost there. The dealer is just too cheap to replace and feels it will cut into profits.

It’s not a great time to buy a Raptor honestly, unless you don’t mind over paying or maybe getting a decent to deal for the period we are in. If you want it, see if you can both meet half way and then you won’t call yourself a sucker later. Does the truck have a spray in liner? They can do that for 400 or less wholesale which is worth 500 bucks to you. It was one of the last things I had the dealer do, before I agreed to purchasing my new 802A.

Get creative and get to the point your happy with the deal. Or just move on and look for another. Mind you SCABS don’t grow on tree’s.

Spinothalamic said:

The 12 does have fresh rubber. I’m just worried about suspension parts, bushings and such. I don’t have the time at this stage of life to chase problems.

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I know of a ‘12 screw with brand new...lots of things that is for sale...