Decided to upgrade my sound system to AudioFrogs.

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forgot to mention, helix, focal, mosconi, braxx, etc all use the same upmixer, just slightly different tweaks to it to call it their own. alpine has has had theirs for years and is probably one of the better ones, but regardless, im not a fan of a center channel speaker as of right now. we will wait and see what the future holds
 

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Nick,

You have nice stuff. You should contact the moderators and become a supporting vender like the other guys. This way if you’re on here in a commercial type capacity you can advertise, offer deals, etc.

Always good to have more venders.


Hey guys, Nick from Apicella Auto Sound and ResoNix Sound Solutions here. At Apicella Auto Sound, we specialize in high end, sound quality oriented systems. ResoNix Sound Solutions, my other company, is a performance-focused automotive sound treatment company. I'd be willing to bet you will not find another CLD that can outperform our Squares and a CCF that can outperform our FD1 (soon to be Decoupler 65). When it comes to sound quality, we have a standard that is frankly, higher than just about anyone in the industry. I have been designing, fabricating, and installing these types of systems for years, and am pretty well known in my industry for it. Amantay came to us looking for a badass sound system. We started off with Focal Utopia M speakers all around, and Mosconi Pro amplifiers with a Helix DSP Ultra. Once we realized that this was overkill for what he was looking for, we ended up with...

. Nav-TV interface
. Helix V Twelve processed amplifier with a Director
. Helix M One X mono amplifier
. (2) Audiofrog GB12 subwoofers in an MTI stage 3 enclosure
. Audiofrog GB60s for front doors, treated with ResoNix Squares and FD1
. Audiofrog GB25 in the pillars
. Audiofrog GB10 in the sail panels
. Audiofrog GB25 & GB10 in a custom center channel (i put 2 pairs of GB25's on the estimate just so I didn't have to create a custom SKU for single units)
. Audiofrog GS62 coaxials for rear doors

At the end of the day, with our knowledge and abilities in high-end installation and tuning techniques, this will be an exceptional sounding car, that will not only sound good for the driver but will sound equally as good in the passenger seats due to the Helix V Twelve having an upmixer for the center channel. Most audio shops cant properly tune a single-seat car, two-seat with an upmixer is exponentially more difficult, but we have the ability to do it properly. The reason we are doing said center channel is because he mentioned that he cares about how it sounds for the passengers, not just himself. When you do a standard install, you can only tune for one location in the car due to different path length differences between the speakers. An upmixer negates the need for that and you can get your imaging/soundstage from the upmixer sending different signals to different speakers as opposed to a traditional Stereo signal and how that works (look up the patent for Stereo audio if you want to understand that). The floor and back wall near his sub enclosure will also be treated with ResoNix Squares and FD1/FD2. This is not even on his estimate. It's just something we do.


Now, this is to @The Car Stereo Company .. Cool to see another stereo shop trying to help out hobbyists. Its something that is usually not done in our industry. That said, I see your comments about Audiofrog being a new company, 3 way active being complicated, and lifting the seats.

1) Audiofrog, while relatively new, has been in business for something like 7 years now. Not only that, but it was started, and owned/operated by Andy Wehmeyer. Andy has about 35-40 years of car audio industry experience under his belt, and about 20 of those years were at a product development position at Harmon Kardon. He alone is probably the most experienced person in our industry (aftermarket car audio) when you stack everything up. Audiofrog is a brand that is beyond what has been offered elsewhere and has the support/knowhow behind it to back it. They're also priced extremely well relatively speaking

2) 3 way active setups are not hard to tune. They're actually easier than a 2-way front speaker setup believe it or not (I'm not sure what your experience is with tuning, so forgive me if I sound like I'm talking down). 3 way is easier to tune due to each speaker being able to play a smaller bandwidth that is better suited towards the polar response of the speaker, and the location and its transfer function inside the vehicle. Yes, there are more channels to go through, but they're much easier since they're not playing such a wide bandwidth like a 6" mid-woofer low in the door of a two-way setup would. Those are always a pain to tune properly due to, as I said, the location, the bandwidth, and the polar response of the speaker.

3) The seat lift does not hinder anything. Just raises it about 2". This also has zero effect on the performance of the subs, which I cannot tell if you are implying or not. The wavelengths of those frequencies are just way too long to be affected by a change that small.


If anyone has any questions regarding this system or a system like it, feel free to ask away, and if you would like to check out our previous work, check our website or facebook.

www.apicellaautosound.com
www.facebook.com/apicellaautosound


Thank you.

-Nick
 

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Mosconi and Focal does not offer an upmixer at all. Helix, Brax, and Match are all Audiotec Fischer brands and use the same processing and software for their DSP's so of course its the same upmixer.

EDIT: also, Alpine does not have their own. They license Dolby, but is only on their very old/outdated H800 or god forbid H701
let me rephrase. mosconi does offer one. i believe in their 8 to 12 aerospace. but it has been shown that these upmixers arent as good as the dolby. alpine had a dolby upmixer at one point and worked very well, just took a bit of magic to get it to work right. the dolby stuff is expensive. mosconi is supposedly working on a new one so we shall see if its worth converting over
 

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Hey Guy, I am interested in it. But not if there are guys like Hush who are trying to undermine actual brick and mortar, territory restricted dealers.

And I don't appreciate you calling me and trying to talk crap. You showed no class could have approached the situation professionally. Instead you chose to attack and threaten me. You questioned me being an approved vendor with Audio Frog and MTI lol. Please call them and verify for us all. As for the OP, I can totally save you even more just to prove a point so PM if interested. I'm still shocked at what just happened. Completely unprofessional. Nick if you want to sell on this forum why not join up as an supporting vendor? You can't be surprised that I'm trying to sell people on the forum I'm a vendor for. I'm completely confused as to what you were talking about on the phone. You made very little sense. I'm done and won't respond to you again. I just wanted everyone to know how you go about situations. You will always have competitors in audio get use to it buddy.
 
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What’s do u expect , u come off like u think u r the god of the stereo industry . As good as u r , or think u r , there is someone better .
 

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let me rephrase. mosconi does offer one. i believe in their 8 to 12 aerospace. but it has been shown that these upmixers arent as good as the dolby. alpine had a dolby upmixer at one point and worked very well, just took a bit of magic to get it to work right. the dolby stuff is expensive. mosconi is supposedly working on a new one so we shall see if its worth converting over

And I don't appreciate you calling me and trying to talk crap. You showed no class could have approached the situation professionally. Instead you chose to attack and threaten me. You questioned me being an approved vendor with Audio Frog and MTI lol. Please call them and verify for us all. As for the OP, I can totally save you even more just to prove a point so PM if interested. I'm still shocked at what just happened. Completely unprofessional. Nick if you want to sell on this forum why not join up as an supporting vendor? You can't be surprised that I'm trying to sell people on the forum I'm a vendor for. I'm completely confused as to what you were talking about on the phone. You made very little sense. I'm done and won't respond to you again. I just wanted everyone here to know about how you go about situations. You will always have competitors in audio get use to it buddy.

Boy, the 2 of you have some nerve!!! I can't believe that both of you act like you are supporting vendors on the site or something! Just because you are very active in helping members (including me), and give members killer deals on audio equipment (me again), doesn't give you the right to sell stuff on here and have opinions and stuff!!! Oh, wait.............. never mind.


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Hmmmm, sales is pretty competitive. Who'd a thunk? That db didn't last long. I followed the thread from the beginning because it was so entertaining. I'm still a newbie here but I will ALWAYS support the vendors on here that are so supportive and full of free advice. I hope the OP rethinks his purchase and goes with someone on here. I understand that a brick and mortar has rent and employees to pay but it sounds (to my uninformed thinking) like he was ripping the customer off.
 
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Not sure what happened on my thread lol. But I will definitely let you know when the install is done, how it sounds and stuff.
 

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I agree , comes on here like he is the end all , the vendors r very helpful , and don’t come off as full of themselves
 
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Hmmmm, sales is pretty competitive. Who'd a thunk? That db didn't last long. I followed the thread from the beginning because it was so entertaining. I'm still a newbie here but I will ALWAYS support the vendors on here that are so supportive and full of free advice. I hope the OP rethinks his purchase and goes with someone on here. I understand that a brick and mortar has rent and employees to pay but it sounds (to my uninformed thinking) like he was ripping the customer off.

I actually got a quote from one the the supporting vendors here, to fly in from Cali and do a setup for me. But then COVID thing started and got everything messed up. Honestly I do not mind paying something extra just to have a piece of mind, that if anything happened to the install, I will be able to drive to the installer and get it fixed right away, versus trying to locate the problem and fix by myself.
 
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