Geiser Springs & Stock Leafs ?

pbtjrlmrt said:

Appreciate the feedback. Final question....Why would you need the Roadmaster if your using Deaver +3. I've heard from people on here that the Deaver's resolve ALL issues. Yes I know most people on here are full of it but still curious about your experience and why you would need something in addition to the upgraded springs.

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The Deaver +3s have solved all of the normal issues associated with the factory leafs on our Raptors. (Sagging under mild loads, 2" block axle wrap, instability on bumpy turns, etc,) They also allowed me to move up to 37" Toyo RTs.

However, I was taking a cross country trip to pick up a 7000+ lb trailer and I did not want to sag all the way home. I purposely did not buy the Deaver +3 HDs because I did not want a harsh drive for everyday driving. I was looking for a temporary solution that I could put on and off, as needed. In the end, I went with 3" extensions for my RPG Stage 3 Fox 2.5" Air Bump Stops.

https://www.rpgoffroad.com/product/stage-3-rear-suspension-kit/

TXRaptor said:

The Deaver +3s have solved all of the normal issues associated with the factory leafs on our Raptors. (Sagging under mild loads, 2" block axle wrap, instability on bumpy turns, etc,) They also allowed me to move up to 37" Toyo RTs.

However, I was taking a cross country trip to pick up a 7000+ lb trailer and I did not want to sag all the way home. I purposely did not buy the Deaver +3 HDs because I did not want a harsh drive for everyday driving. I was looking for a temporary solution that I could put on and off, as needed. In the end, I went with 4" extensions for my RPG Stage 3 Fox 2.5" Air Bump Stops.

https://www.rpgoffroad.com/product/stage-3-rear-suspension-kit/

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4” extensions?

Kyle Nezat said:

4” extensions?

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I just checked and I have the 3" bump stop extensions.

From RPGs website:
Big enough and Strong enough to run 4″ long airbumps to increase payloads and towing

https://www.rpgoffroad.com/product/air-bump-extension-pads/

TXRaptor said:

The Deaver +3s have solved all of the normal issues associated with the factory leafs on our Raptors. (Sagging under mild loads, 2" block axle wrap, instability on bumpy turns, etc,) They also allowed me to move up to 37" Toyo RTs.

However, I was taking a cross country trip to pick up a 7000+ lb trailer and I did not want to sag all the way home. I purposely did not buy the Deaver +3 HDs because I did not want a harsh drive for everyday driving. I was looking for a temporary solution that I could put on and off, as needed. In the end, I went with 3" extensions for my RPG Stage 3 Fox 2.5" Air Bump Stops.

https://www.rpgoffroad.com/product/stage-3-rear-suspension-kit/

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That makes sense. Thank you
Final question:
I read from a couple of guys that had your same issue and according to them they had installed the Roadmaster incorrectly. They are supposed to be installed while the rear is fully extended(Full Droop). Apparently they jacked up the rear end using the differential housing then installed the springs. Did you have the rear end fully drooped when you did your install?

pbtjrlmrt said:

That makes sense. Thank you
Final question:
I read from a couple of guys that had your same issue and according to them they had installed the Roadmaster incorrectly. They are supposed to be installed while the rear is fully extended(Full Droop). Apparently they jacked up the rear end using the differential housing then installed the springs. Did you have the rear end fully drooped when you did your install?

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Yes, I followed their instructions to a tee and spoke to them several times on the phone after they popped off the first time. The consensus was they will not work on Deaver +3s due to the curvature of the leafs. The rear of the Roadmaster does not wrap around far enough to hold itself in place.

Here is a graphic I created of the issue:

TXRaptor said:

Yes, I followed their instructions to a tee and spoke to them several times on the phone after they popped off the first time. The consensus was they will not work on Deaver +3s due to the curvature of the leafs. The rear of the Roadmaster does not wrap around far enough to hold itself in place.

Here is a graphic I created of the issue:

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Thank you so much for the feedback

I liked the Geiser vs Eibach video they put together, but still haven't pulled the trigger on a set of either at this point. I would probably lean more towards the Eibachs at this point due to the 1.7" of lift vs the 2.5 of the Geisers for my '19. I don't want it to sit nose high.

kholding said:

I liked the Geiser vs Eibach video they put together, but still haven't pulled the trigger on a set of either at this point. I would probably lean more towards the Eibachs at this point due to the 1.7" of lift vs the 2.5 of the Geisers for my '19. I don't want it to sit nose high.

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This is why I went w/ Eibachs on my '18, basic understanding that they will ride better on the street than stock OR geisers & will add some benefit offroad over stock - BUT will not handle whoops/higher speed jumps as well as Geisers when offroading.

I'm assuming the change in ride height in the Eibachs vs. Geiser comparison is different for the 17-18 trucks w/ standard fox shocks, but Eibach would still less lift than Geiser in that application correct? Hope so anyhow.

Personally....I HATE the nose-high look MUCH worse than the heavily raked lower front end look all trucks sport from the factory these days some makes/models more extreme than others, obviously the Raptor isn't as prounounced as an LT Chevy silverado - but still would prefer higher front end & more ground clearance - I don't do hardcore offroading, but do go on some open fields/new england logging roads/trails on occasion. I do tow a 3.5-5k utility trailer once or twice month, tandem jet ski trailer weighing 3500 lbs or so, have 70 lbs in a swingcase tool box 100% of the time on the ass end & a tonneau cover.

I appreciate that Icon & Deaver make quiality products, but at the price point, + install, + need for something additional to make up for a bump stop & like a FMIC its such an obvious mod a dealer could point to in order to push back or drag out a warranty issue (say w/ the driveshaft, rear diff, bearings, shocks etc. - if you don't think possible I got a bridge in Brooklyn for ya lol) that @ this point I'm seriously looking harder at what adding a leaf or 2 to the stock setup would ride/be like. Seems like some members on FRF have done this w/ some success, but haven't had luck getting anyone to reply to a PM or explain how its working long term.

There was a guy said he had it done in Boston & I'm in MA - def would like to know what shop

Swaddict said:

Eibach's, stock tires and Roadmaster Spring Assist in the back

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Don't want to hijack the thread but what rims are those?

Thanks in advance!

Badbear said:

Don't want to hijack the thread but what rims are those?

Thanks in advance!

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While at it, can you snap a few shots of the road masters? How much have you towed with them and kept relatively level?