Also the fact that people tend to sell problematic vehicles sooner than non problematic. With toyota, generally people keep them for really long 5 to 10+ years. Others. not so much. And any dealer, they they will offer always less, say 15 k less on a 50k vehicle, they'll buy 10-15 k lower and than sell same for 10-15 k profit. Thats why people private sell. Thing with trade in s is, people are so happy for a new vehicle that they accept a small loss very easily. On the other hand, if u need to sell same vehicle for say some other purpose out of necessity like a medical bill, then u wud think 20 times for that less 10-15 k on ur vehicle.
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Also the fact that people tend to sell problematic vehicles sooner than non problematic. With toyota, generally people keep them for really long 5 to 10+ years. Others. not so much. And any dealer, they they will offer always less, say 15 k less on a 50k vehicle, they'll buy 10-15 k lower and than sell same for 10-15 k profit. Thats why people private sell. Thing with trade in s is, people are so happy for a new vehicle that they accept a small loss very easily. On the other hand, if u need to sell same vehicle for say some other purpose out of necessity like a medical bill, then u wud think 20 times for that less 10-15 k on ur vehicle.
GCATX
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Bla bla this bla bla that....
now to the point. op, u r 1 lucky person with 80k miles and still running without problems, thats a keeper man. But read this forum, what if u buy a 2020 and have to take it in for phasers, and other 100+ things ... stranded in the middle on nowhere....
Considering the reliability reputation on raptors, it will be a mistake to upgrade. Unless there is a new generation altogether, even then, gift it to 1 of ur kids, maybe and buy a newer generation.
On another note, i have a feeling or sort of belief,... this might sound silly, but some might agree..., i think op most of your vehicles throughout ur life were fine, no major problems, occasional maintenance, like your raptor.... if your answer is yes, then i can bet your 2020 will be fine too. or even if u buy a used one from a guy who had nothing but problems with his raptor, the moment u buy it, all problems will be gone.
Now some of u are saying, hey man... do u mean the problem is in us, doing something wrong.... not at all. its a fate thing. m 35 years old, started driving since 1995 when i was just 10 years old. by driving i mean within my property. and would drive on roads without permission. got busted by friends family and parents many times, then after turning 18 and getting my licence, i hve driven like more than a million miles till now. Not a single accident.
M i that careful? maybe now, but in my 20ss, man i was a rash driver. But there is no accident. Some impressive saves, but no accident. Even in a snow pileup of 40 cars, mine was fine. of course i moved it off the road but next guy did the same and the third hit his car.
Now we are 4 brothers, m the youngest, 2 are just like me, i mean, they never have any problems with there cars, 1 brother is like many on this forums, no matter what brand or car he buys, there is always an problem. Even now his air conditioning is not working after replacing it last year with a new one.
So its a fate thing. Thats the best explanation i can come up with. m sure op's other experiences were fine too in the past like his raptor and if he go for another 2020, he probably gonna be fine again with a problem free truck.
WTF?
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True, you can always make more money off your vehicle through a private sale. That takes time, advertising, and being patient enough to find the right buyer and sometimes even then you will not be able too. Depends on the vehicle and everything sells for the right price.
i agree on that 100%
JohnC12
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LOL... this was hardly an "experiment". And I do apologize in advance to you and jaggwaa that the facts presented don't side with your opinions.
But regardless of how you and jaggwaa want to see the data, it's all relative. This was an apples to apples comparison of values. Changing inputs for all vehicles would result in equal relative change - the end result will be similar, if not exact.
You can decide if you want to disprove my findings by showing your own "experiment" research, but until then, your posts are based on opinions and opinions only.
FordTechOne
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Everything you just posted is a baseless speculation. The phaser issue was resolved in production in mid 2018, and it doesn’t affect all trucks. This is a forum, you’re only going to see the ones that have an issue, not the millions of other F-150’s that don’t. To make claims about “reliability” with zero data to back it up is misguided and ignorant.
On the topic of resale value, how do you think it looks to prospective buyers and consumers in general when you make false and misleading claims about reliability on this forum? The last thing we need is owners getting lowballed when trying to sell their truck for a fair price because they read ridiculous posts like yours with unsubstantiated claims.
As for the rest of your post, I don’t know what you are even talking about in that 3AM rant.
Badgertits
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You can always make more money in a private sale.....what about the tax on the sale? Most new vehicles can be had w/ 0% interest notes going out 7 years now if you have good credit - when they're playing w/ funny money easy to get more stuff thrown in vs. playing w/ hard cash. Can look at it both ways - Raptors have excellent trade-in value b/c most dealers - including non-Ford dealers, like having one or 2 sitting in their used truck lots b/c they draw customers in & they can make good profit on em. Check around @ what people have gotten for these trucks on trade - its damn impressive.
So your argument about private party sale in the current economic environment w/ interest rates where they are & dealers desperate to move units IF i was in the market for a used Raptor right now I'd probably be more apt to go through a dealer still given the above.
Irony of this "discussion" between longevity of a Toyota/japanese vehicle vs OP keeping the Raptor longer term....not sure where he lives, but I can pretty much GUARANTEE the Raptor will absolutely age better in the aesthetic sense given the entire body is made of AL vs. "very willing to rust" toyota steel.....& their skimpy C-channel frames seem more apt to rust than the REAL fully boxed steel frames from the other 3 domestic brands.
I would be interested in a Tundra, whenever they introduce the next one that'll be the same for 15+ years lol - at least it'll "look new" from a design standpoint for a long time like the current version lol
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The OP will lose money on trade if he lets it go over 100k miles and I do not think that is in debate. My state allows full tax credit for private sales up to 60 days from the date of sale. If you make an extra 5-6 grand on a truck then so be it you get that tax credit towards the new purchase. Zero percent is not going on for a Raptor since that is a Ford financial product and not in the portfolio of what they will finance for the zero percent.
I like the Tundra, and almost bought a Power Wagon but I have owned a 2011 Gen 1 which I miss and then this Gen 2. I love my 2018 and like most have said it is my forever truck.
I like the Tundra, and almost bought a Power Wagon but I have owned a 2011 Gen 1 which I miss and then this Gen 2. I love my 2018 and like most have said it is my forever truck.
RubyDaCherry
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I am about to pull the trigger on a 1 owner, 76k Mile 2018 802A. Has the Ford PremiumCare warranty until 100K. 1 owner older gentleman majority of miles are highway miles traveling to his property 5hrs away. Has not had the cam phaser or transmission issues. I'm getting it for well under NADA and KBB values. This is exactly what I plan on doing, having a Gen2 with 200K miles. I take care of my vehicles better than the average person. I have a 99 Dodge 24v Cummins with 240k miles and runs like a top! I don't get why people buy vehicles and get rid of them so quickly, I guess you could blame "look at me" society.
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