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NAFTA has nothing to do with sending work overseas dude. NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) its free trade agreement between USA-Canada-Mexico which was replaced in 2018 with USMCA (United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement). NAFTA or now USMCA has nothing to do with China ‍♂️

The outsourcing was not just to China. NAFTA was one instrument of that.
The other was the US China Relations Act of 2000. That paved the way for them to enter the World Trade organization in 2001. In 1980 trade with China was 4 Billion. 2094 it was over 230 billion. Every cuck of a president since Reagan added to it. We should be doing ALL our own manufacturing. ALL of our own energy production. It is most certainly possible. America First. If you dont like it leave. You will not be missed.
 

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The outsourcing was not just to China. NAFTA was one instrument of that.
The other was the US China Relations Act of 2000. That paved the way for them to enter the World Trade organization in 2001. In 1980 trade with China was 4 Billion. 2094 it was over 230 billion. Every cuck of a president since Reagan added to it. We should be doing ALL our own manufacturing. ALL of our own energy production. It is most certainly possible. America First. If you dont like it leave. You will not be missed.
Like I said NAFTA has nothing to do with China or has no connection whats so ever to China. Its FREE Trade Agreement between 3 countries NOT CHINA. You are really something else. Did I ever say I like all american products being outsourced to be made in China ... no I never said that. Only thing I said was that if American Company is outsourcing work to China its up to American Company how they want their product to be made (quality wise) not up to China. American Company is the one who gives Quality Directions to Chinese Factory. So if product made in china by American Company is bad its actually American Company thats ******** you not China. Dont be pissed at China or their people because they didnt steal any work from American People. Work was given to them by our own American People. My question to you was why are you so bitter towards Chinese people or China as a country if our own country and decisions of people who supposedly love America and its people F....d us in the A..s not China. You must be really naive if you think someone from our politicians care about you. If its Republicans or Democrats it doesnt matter ... because they dont give a flying F... about me or you exactly same way. Also if you think American Made is the best you must be living under a rock for past decade or more. Just look at all those car/trucks assembled in America. They cant get even doors to be aligned straight at Ford factory and you telling me we have the best quality. Last ... Mishimoto Intercoolers are made from same exact 6061 Aluminum as 95% of other Intercoolers on the market unless you find some factory which will make intercooler especially for you from 7075 Aluminum. They hey have same Bar-Plate design as all other aftermarket Intercoolers. So If I am looking strictly for Stock Location mounted Intercooler and I have Mishimoto and lets say Whipple which are made from same exact material, same design and lets say they have same Cubic Volume so at this point is just a name.
 
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My question to you was why are you so bitter towards Chinese people or China as a country if our own country and decisions of people who supposedly love America and its people F....d us in the A..s not China.

Superficially, this is a good question, but I would draw attention to the prevalence of Chinese made counterfeit products in our marketplaces. This counterfeiting practice is actively encouraged by the Chinese government, as it was by the soviet union before. It’s certainly not the only country doing the the counterfeiting, but what sets China apart is the volume of counterfeit products, and the governmental support for it. We’re not talking just Gucci bags in some tourist trap, entire market places. So, yes, American companies, shareholders and politicians share a great deal of blame for all of this, but it’s tough to fault a consumer if the lesser cost product --not a counterfeit product-- is of acceptable quality.

You must be really naive if you think someone from our politicians care about you. If its Republicans or Democrats it doesnt matter ...

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Also if you think American Made is the best you must be living under a rock for past decade or more. Just look at all those car/trucks assembled in America. They cant get even doors to be aligned straight at Ford factory and you telling me we have the best quality.

Good points, without question. The issue isn’t so much that all American products are superior, rather, it’s better to insource the manufacturing of products that we can make because we can make them acceptably well, probably better than China, and doing so puts us less at risk of financial impact from a hostile regime. Saudia Arabia is a good example of our trading and dealing with an enemy people - not just a government, and enemy civilization who for years lorded their oil production over our oil dependence like a crack dealer to a crack fiend. It took generations to get out from under the kingdom’s thumb, but now we are. We have the political ability to tell saudis to go F*** themselves tomorrow and be none the worse for it. However, our dependence on Chines manufacturing is across multiple industries and more impactful. There are business opportunities to be had in multiple industries. The next time your city proposes tax breaks for a sports franchise and a new stadium, gratis, courtesy of local tax payers, stop it. Redirect the efforts to manufacturing.

Mishimoto Intercoolers are made from same exact 6061 Aluminum as 95% of other Intercoolers on the market unless you find some factory which will make intercooler especially for you from 7075 Aluminum. They hey have same Bar-Plate design as all other aftermarket Intercoolers. So If I am looking strictly for Stock Location mounted Intercooler and I have Mishimoto and lets say Whipple which are made from same exact material, same design and lets say they have same Cubic Volume so at this point is just a name.

I cannot say first hand but posit the following; Material and design spec are essential, and let’s assume the prototype meets or exceeds expectations from the one off assembly. Seller of the product approves the agreement to go forward with manufacturing, and the manufacturer tools up their assembly “line” to make the product. They produce an initial batch but the tooling “line” has a slight defect in one or 2 of the processes. a bad form, bend or weld, here or there.

The products are delivered and are visually acceptable, but not close to the prototype. They’re sold, go into the field but fail prematurely due to weld defects, bad bends, or what have you. now the seller is owned. profit gets sucked up, new shipments are possibly affected, customers rag on the seller, etc.

maybe intercoolers are practically the same, maybe not. they may appear visually similar or of visually similar quality but that doesn’t mean that they are of similar quality.
 

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Like I said NAFTA has nothing to do with China or has no connection whats so ever to China. Its FREE Trade Agreement between 3 countries NOT CHINA. You are really something else. Did I ever say I like all american products being outsourced to be made in China ... no I never said that. Only thing I said was that if American Company is outsourcing work to China its up to American Company how they want their product to be made (quality wise) not up to China. American Company is the one who gives Quality Directions to Chinese Factory. So if product made in china by American Company is bad its actually American Company thats ******** you not China. Dont be pissed at China or their people because they didnt steal any work from American People. Work was given to them by our own American People. My question to you was why are you so bitter towards Chinese people or China as a country if our own country and decisions of people who supposedly love America and its people F....d us in the A..s not China. You must be really naive if you think someone from our politicians care about you. If its Republicans or Democrats it doesnt matter ... because they dont give a flying F... about me or you exactly same way. Also if you think American Made is the best you must be living under a rock for past decade or more. Just look at all those car/trucks assembled in America. They cant get even doors to be aligned straight at Ford factory and you telling me we have the best quality. Last ... Mishimoto Intercoolers are made from same exact 6061 Aluminum as 95% of other Intercoolers on the market unless you find some factory which will make intercooler especially for you from 7075 Aluminum. They hey have same Bar-Plate design as all other aftermarket Intercoolers. So If I am looking strictly for Stock Location mounted Intercooler and I have Mishimoto and lets say Whipple which are made from same exact material, same design and lets say they have same Cubic Volume so at this point is just a name.

Can you like not read or something?
Do you have an inability to follow the news?
This mild chinese cold virus came from a lab in wuhan and the chinese government covered it up. And the WHO who we once paid for covered for China we need to be dependent on no other country for our country. Listen you live in IL Pretty sure you wont get this.
 

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Superficially, this is a good question, but I would draw attention to the prevalence of Chinese made counterfeit products in our marketplaces. This counterfeiting practice is actively encouraged by the Chinese government, as it was by the soviet union before. It’s certainly not the only country doing the the counterfeiting, but what sets China apart is the volume of counterfeit products, and the governmental support for it. We’re not talking just Gucci bags in some tourist trap, entire market places. So, yes, American companies, shareholders and politicians share a great deal of blame for all of this, but it’s tough to fault a consumer if the lesser cost product --not a counterfeit product-- is of acceptable quality.



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Good points, without question. The issue isn’t so much that all American products are superior, rather, it’s better to insource the manufacturing of products that we can make because we can make them acceptably well, probably better than China, and doing so puts us less at risk of financial impact from a hostile regime. Saudia Arabia is a good example of our trading and dealing with an enemy people - not just a government, and enemy civilization who for years lorded their oil production over our oil dependence like a crack dealer to a crack fiend. It took generations to get out from under the kingdom’s thumb, but now we are. We have the political ability to tell saudis to go F*** themselves tomorrow and be none the worse for it. However, our dependence on Chines manufacturing is across multiple industries and more impactful. There are business opportunities to be had in multiple industries. The next time your city proposes tax breaks for a sports franchise and a new stadium, gratis, courtesy of local tax payers, stop it. Redirect the efforts to manufacturing.



I cannot say first hand but posit the following; Material and design spec are essential, and let’s assume the prototype meets or exceeds expectations from the one off assembly. Seller of the product approves the agreement to go forward with manufacturing, and the manufacturer tools up their assembly “line” to make the product. They produce an initial batch but the tooling “line” has a slight defect in one or 2 of the processes. a bad form, bend or weld, here or there.

The products are delivered and are visually acceptable, but not close to the prototype. They’re sold, go into the field but fail prematurely due to weld defects, bad bends, or what have you. now the seller is owned. profit gets sucked up, new shipments are possibly affected, customers rag on the seller, etc.

maybe intercoolers are practically the same, maybe not. they may appear visually similar or of visually similar quality but that doesn’t mean that they are of similar quality.

Thank you very much. This was very well executed.
 

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Can you like not read or something?
Do you have an inability to follow the news?
This mild chinese cold virus came from a lab in wuhan and the chinese government covered it up. And the WHO who we once paid for covered for China we need to be dependent on no other country for our country. Listen you live in IL Pretty sure you wont get this.
 

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We are not talking here about counterfeit Chinese products. We are talking about American Companies outsourcing making their products to China. If product comes with defects (which happends same way here as anywhere else) in my opinion Company that requested the product to be made is to blame in long run not the company that made it if its here or in China. Company that pays the factory to make the product has final say and Quality control of it if it meets their expectations. So if they push it to the market knowing it might have some defect in long run they are to blame. It happends all over the world from making a plain screw to engines and other parts. It happends if its made at Ford Factory, GM Factory, Toyota Factory or any Chinese Factory and final say belongs to Comoany who requested the part to be made. I think every country has ability to make superior products if its America, China or elsewhere it all depends how they are instructed to make the product by purchasing company. All again comes down to money. Less stricked quality control, lower standards requested by purchasing company and materials equals more profit.
 
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