GEN 2 Paddle shift times.

onthebrake · Apr 25, 2020

smurfslayer said:
i don’t know how fast it shifts, I’ve heard guys who own dual clutch cars complain similarly. It’s no motorcycle with a quick shifter, but I think it’s acceptably fast. A point of clarification, i think there is a difference between using the paddles to lock out gears and unlock them by depressing the paddles when not in manual mode, and the response time when in manual mode. I don’t have scientific proof, it’s my personal perception.

interesting question about when the signal is sent, on the pull or release. I’ve never pulled and held the paddle back, I've always just did a quick pull and release.

I agree with #smurfslayer 100%. The shift time from locking out gears vs. manual mode are night and day being that manual mode is much quicker shifts. Also, I feel that in sport mode, it shifts quicker also.

nikhsub1 · Apr 25, 2020

The raptor has a traditional torque converter auto trans. It won’t shift fast like a dual clutch PDK or DSG etc.

smurfslayer · Apr 26, 2020

FordTechOne said:
I've used the paddle shifters in Sport mode, and I have no complaints with the shift timing.

If you put the transmission in manual mode, upshift and downshift times, delays, etc. are consistent across drive modes. eco, sport, m+s, baja... I can’t say I’ve tried weather mode though.

I think a lot of people are thinking the paddles are there for you to row all 10 gears; they’re not. You’re just keeping the truck in the power band and controlling the gear selection like you would on a motorcycle. How often are you hitting 8-10 off road? Also, you may want manual for a section of trail or whatever, and maybe the automatic handles the rest fine.

Deleted member 12951 · Apr 26, 2020

Not sure if I will ever use the paddle shifters. The button on the side of the gear shifter does exactly the same thing. I know when I am off-roading my steering wheel is moving back and forth a lot keeping the truck going straight through the uneven terrain. Its easier to change gears with the shifter because I am so used to doing that out of habit in my GEN1. I will definitely try and see if these paddles are easier to use. Typically when I off-road, I use SelectShift to lock out the upper gears and only bump it up when hitting a straight away then back down. On the 6 speed, I would lock out 4-6 and occasionally 3. On this 10 speed, do most lock out 5-10 perhaps?

smurfslayer · Apr 26, 2020

RDFTS said:
I know when I am off-roading my steering wheel is moving back and forth a lot keeping the truck going straight through the uneven terrain. Its easier to change gears with the shifter because I am so used to doing that out of habit in my GEN1. I will definitely try and see if these paddles are easier to use. Typically when I off-road, I use SelectShift to lock out the upper gears and only bump it up when hitting a straight away then back down. On the 6 speed, I would lock out 4-6 and occasionally 3. On this 10 speed, do most lock out 5-10 perhaps?

Are you the most interesting Raptor owner in the world?
- he gets invoice pricing on all Ford Performance vehicles
- Starbucks Baristas bring him coffee whenever he wants, 24x7
- he off roads with one hand.
- he runs zero offset, with no rubbing

He is the most interesting Raptor owner in the world...

I guess I’m not that interesting, I try to keep both hands on the wheel when possible and pretty close to where the paddles are as it happens, even if I’m not manually shifting.

Just a guess on the range but I’d start by locking out 6-10 first, depending on terrain, maybe 5-10. Drive modes on the Rap do really change driving behavior, it’s radically different from “normal(eco)” mode. realistically, M&S, or Baja won’t let the transmission upshift past 7; or 1:1 unless you’re really moving out. Both hold to about 3k rpms, where sport mode holds to about 2k rpms.

So you really have to try it out to see if you’re really going to need manual shifting from before.

jimmyjamm · Apr 27, 2020

I use them mainly for downshifting on hills, or off-road in Baja/Sport mode. As noted above, Sport mode makes the shifts way faster, but again, it is an automatic and not a dual clutch.

Deleted member 12951 · Apr 27, 2020

smurfslayer said:
Are you the most interesting Raptor owner in the world?
- he gets invoice pricing on all Ford Performance vehicles
- Starbucks Baristas bring him coffee whenever he wants, 24x7
- he off roads with one hand.
- he runs zero offset, with no rubbing

He is the most interesting Raptor owner in the world...

I guess I’m not that interesting, I try to keep both hands on the wheel when possible and pretty close to where the paddles are as it happens, even if I’m not manually shifting.

Just a guess on the range but I’d start by locking out 6-10 first, depending on terrain, maybe 5-10. Drive modes on the Rap do really change driving behavior, it’s radically different from “normal(eco)” mode. realistically, M&S, or Baja won’t let the transmission upshift past 7; or 1:1 unless you’re really moving out. Both hold to about 3k rpms, where sport mode holds to about 2k rpms.

So you really have to try it out to see if you’re really going to need manual shifting from before.

I have no idea about your fascination with this guy

But I can tell you that I do NOT go to Starbucks. I know that isn’t the typical stereotype of Jenny owners.

Like I said, I am going to give the paddles a try when I off-road, it has just been habit to use SelectShift on the console. I am glad that Ford decided to keep that there instead of only on the paddles.

zombiekiller · Apr 27, 2020

the paddle shifters are exceptionally slow and lazy.

With a locked rear end, leaving the truck in D makes it corner entirely unpredictably with all of the nannies off. The truck consistently will try to shift mid-corner and makes for a fairly white-knuckle 360 very quickly.

If I wished for any improvement as a factory option, it would be for a much better paddle shifting set up. I'd also prefer that the paddles stay stationary instead of turn with the wheel, being that it still takes 2 full turns to go lock to lock which can make for a dicey situation if you need to downshift mid-corner. ( If the steering was quicker, the paddles moving with it would be fine.)

at some point, I'm sure that I'll get annoyed enough to go manual valve body on my truck.

FordTechOne · Apr 27, 2020

nikhsub1 said:
The raptor has a traditional torque converter auto trans. It won’t shift fast like a dual clutch PDK or DSG etc.

Interestingly enough, the 10R80/10L80 (Ford/GM versions) have the ability to shift faster than most dual clutch transmissions, including the Porsche PDK. Whether the calibration specific to the vehicle allows that is the variable.

Compared with the Porsche PDK dual-clutch transmission, the Camaro Zl1 with the 10L80 can hammer out the 1-2 upshift is 36-percent quicker than the PDK, while the 2-3 and 3-4 upshifts are 27-percent and 26-percent quicker. That's impressive for a torque converter planetary automatic.

MnFlyer · Apr 27, 2020

zombiekiller said:
the paddle shifters are exceptionally slow and lazy.

With a locked rear end, leaving the truck in D makes it corner entirely unpredictably with all of the nannies off. The truck consistently will try to shift mid-corner and makes for a fairly white-knuckle 360 very quickly.

If I wished for any improvement as a factory option, it would be for a much better paddle shifting set up. I'd also prefer that the paddles stay stationary instead of turn with the wheel, being that it still takes 2 full turns to go lock to lock which can make for a dicey situation if you need to downshift mid-corner. ( If the steering was quicker, the paddles moving with it would be fine.)

at some point, I'm sure that I'll get annoyed enough to go manual valve body on my truck.

Is it necessary/best practice to have both hands on the wheel?

I ask because the +/- buttons on the gear shift would seem “handier”??

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