Keyfob Boosting - Thefts

Venerous · Apr 19, 2020

1BAD454SSv2 said:
SDHQ 2019 Super duty was stolen a few nights ago and recovered , wondering how it was done , I think there is some High tech gadgetry in the mix. 2019 SD would have similar security tech as f150.

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Sorry to deviate from the topic a little but, if you're worried about security; why are you still running Windows 7? Not that 10 is much better but support for 7 ended years ago.

Denvertaco07 · Apr 19, 2020

Venerous said:
Sorry to deviate from the topic a little but, if you're worried about security; why are you still running Windows 7? Not that 10 is much better but support for 7 ended years ago.

Extended support (which is security patches) for Windows 7 ended in January of this year. But, yes, probably a good idea to get away from Win 7.

And, if you are a business that just can't get there yet, you can buy ESU, Extended Security Updates, to get you by on Win 7 until 2023.

The support you are referring to, like feature updates, did end in 2015 though.

Derail · Apr 20, 2020

Denvertaco07 said:
Did the theft occur within 20 seconds?

Fast Restart
The fast restart feature allows you to
restart the engine within 20 seconds of
switching it off, even if a valid key is not
present.
Within 20 seconds of switching the engine
off, press the brake pedal and press the
button. After 20 seconds have expired, you
can no longer restart the engine without
the key present inside your vehicle.
Once the engine has started, it remains
running until you press the button, even if
the system does not detect a valid key. If
you open and close a door while the engine
is running, the system searches for a valid
key. You cannot restart the engine if the
system does not detect a valid key within
20 seconds.

??? Not sure what the purpose of this feature is, but it's in the manual, pg. 181. I would guess if the fast start wouldn't work if the doors were locked, but IDK, maybe lock, thief captures unlock code, unlocks the doors, jumps in and if still within 20 seconds, hits the start button and goes? Maybe pulled the Ford Pass fuse after started so it couldn't be tracked.

This is to keep you from being stranded somewhere without the key. Accidentally drive to the store, shut it off, warns that the key is missing, you can then immediately restart it to get back to the key.

Denvertaco07 · Apr 20, 2020

Derail said:
This is to keep you from being stranded somewhere without the key. Accidentally drive to the store, shut it off, warns that the key is missing, you can then immediately restart it to get back to the key.

ahh, thanks. Yeah, I remember some folks on the Camaro6 forum accomplished this task, leaving the key behind, thanks for clarifying.

smurfslayer · Apr 20, 2020

Derail said:
This is to keep you from being stranded somewhere without the key. Accidentally drive to the store, shut it off, warns that the key is missing, you can then immediately restart it to get back to the key.

How?

Assuming you remote start, you can’t take off without the key. If you fob start, same thing, you have to hit brake+start button and have the key with you.

I’m sure there is some customer driven use case for this but it seems kind of odd.

Derail · Apr 21, 2020

smurfslayer said:
How?

Assuming you remote start, you can’t take off without the key. If you fob start, same thing, you have to hit brake+start button and have the key with you.

I’m sure there is some customer driven use case for this but it seems kind of odd.

There could be an instance of someone starting the vehicle getting out with key in hand and lay it down before getting back in.

Or I and my wife go somewhere together, she drops me off, never puts it in Park, I have the key and she drives off.

With secure idle, it shouldn't be an issue. But not all models had this from the factory.

Has nothing to do with remote starting the vehicle.

smurfslayer · Apr 21, 2020

I was trying to envision the use case for this feature and thought of a couple similar scenarios. Wife forgets something, takes the key back into the house, sets it down, retrieves items, returns to truck without the key. This would take some practice for sure.

I think I see what you’re explaining, but I still maintain that to do this you would have to traditionally start the truck, or, remote start and deliberately do something with the key after activating pressing start in the truck.

Denvertaco07 · Apr 21, 2020

It's probably why Ford enables by default and doesn't let you disable, (unless you forscan) the horn alert, if you start the truck and get out with the key...it's loud. Now that I have disabled that, I will have to be careful not to leave the key behind.

Derail · Apr 22, 2020

Denvertaco07 said:
It's probably why Ford enables by default and doesn't let you disable, (unless you forscan) the horn alert, if you start the truck and get out with the key...it's loud. Now that I have disabled that, I will have to be careful not to leave the key behind.

With the Secure Idle enabled , it shouldn't be a problem. You can't put the truck in gear without the fob in the truck.

MY 2018 had the Secure Idle enabled from the factory.

FordTechOne · Apr 23, 2020

Antho said:
Wonder if thats what this guy was trying? There is something blinking in his hand. I figured it was a relay and he was looking for a truck with a key locked in the truck? He checked numerous f150s in our neighborhood but ended up stealing a Tundra.

Of course he did. Toyota's technology is 10 years - at a minimum - behind Ford and other legitimate OEMs. It's the same reason that 90's Hondas were so easy to steal while the competition had already incorporated anti-theft immobilizer systems.

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