Don't tell the Gen. 1 guys I'm over here.....

Nesc204 said:

I'm a PROUD Gen 1 owner. I have 160, 000 miles and counting and NEVER a Problem. Just maintain and turn the key and go. I rather put 20 grand in my Gen 1 and make completely New again wich I plan on doing some day. Cant beat the Reliability of the Gen 1. Just my opinion but I do Admit the Gen 2s are very nice looking trucks. But been on this Forum for a while and i see alot of problems the Gen 2 have mean while Gen 1s keep going and going

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OK, so now you're scaring me. But my wife says not her.

Truckasaurus said:

LOL. Me too.

OP - Gen 1 guy here. All Raptors are good trucks and if you're planning on keeping it mostly stock, aren't looking for a lot of power out of it, and only likely to keep it for a few years, than a Gen 2 is probably the better move.

Prices on '17s seem to be dropping pretty quick. If you can find one with 30-40k miles on it that has been trouble free, then that is the route I would go as it has already proven itself to be "one of the good ones". AG was available in '17, as well.

Then again, those LF '18s were very good looking trucks...​

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“Aren’t looking for a lot of power out of it”? Seems to me a) the gen 2 raptor already crushes the gen 1 in the power & esp TQ dept. & b) w/ a tune only on a gen 2 I’m pretty sure you’ll be fairly close (within 40-50) to the RWHP of a gen 1 running a damn whipple & will make MORE TQ than the blown gen 1- & regardless of being down some in HP to a blown gen 1 the gen 2 will ABSOLUTELY be faster all around. And that’s just w/ a tune.

I wasn’t even interested in a Raptor coming from GM/Toyota trucks until they redesigned w/ the 10 speed & HO 3.5- the gen 2 is better in so many ways, I mean before even getting into the mechanical stuff the gen 2s are made outta AL for starters which means no rust to worry about & lighter weight. That alone should be a non starter w/ a gen 1 if you’re being pragmatic.

subjectively Id imagine most prefer the looks of the gen 2 vs gen 1 but that’s a matter of preference I suppose

While being MUCH lighter the gen 2 is also much stiffer & has a factory reinforced frame/shock mounts - gen 1s less rigid more flex & there have been cases of failures in extreme off-roading.

the interior/electronics/infotainment/options are all noticeably improved upon.

they have a warranty

I would avoid a 2017 or early 2018 just b/c seems to be more problems w/ the 17s (& any first year vehicle as far as that goes) & the early 2018s still have plastic oil pans.

if you can swing a ‘19+ go for it but I opted not to when buying new b/c I was on the fence about the live valve shocks & assumes (rightfully at the time) that leveling the truck would be more problematic w/ the live valve type.

Lastly....just drive a stockish gen 1 against a stockish gen 2 & you’ll make your mind up easily I’m sure. It’s tough/unfair to compare modded vs modded....but like I said, while the gen 1 w/ a whipple will certainly sound meaner & make a bit more HP vs a tuned gen 2 it ain’t gonna be any quicker that’s for damn sure.

Badgertits said:

“Aren’t looking for a lot of power out of it”? Seems to me a) the gen 2 raptor already crushes the gen 1 in the power & esp TQ dept. & b) w/ a tune only on a gen 2 I’m pretty sure you’ll be fairly close (within 40-50) to the RWHP of a gen 1 running a damn whipple & will make MORE TQ than the blown gen 1- & regardless of being down some in HP to a blown gen 1 the gen 2 will ABSOLUTELY be faster all around. And that’s just w/ a tune.

I wasn’t even interested in a Raptor coming from GM/Toyota trucks until they redesigned w/ the 10 speed & HO 3.5- the gen 2 is better in so many ways, I mean before even getting into the mechanical stuff the gen 2s are made outta AL for starters which means no rust to worry about & lighter weight. That alone should be a non starter w/ a gen 1 if you’re being pragmatic.

subjectively Id imagine most prefer the looks of the gen 2 vs gen 1 but that’s a matter of preference I suppose

While being MUCH lighter the gen 2 is also much stiffer & has a factory reinforced frame/shock mounts - gen 1s less rigid more flex & there have been cases of failures in extreme off-roading.

the interior/electronics/infotainment/options are all noticeably improved upon.

they have a warranty

I would avoid a 2017 or early 2018 just b/c seems to be more problems w/ the 17s (& any first year vehicle as far as that goes) & the early 2018s still have plastic oil pans.

if you can swing a ‘19+ go for it but I opted not to when buying new b/c I was on the fence about the live valve shocks & assumes (rightfully at the time) that leveling the truck would be more problematic w/ the live valve type.

Lastly....just drive a stockish gen 1 against a stockish gen 2 & you’ll make your mind up easily I’m sure. It’s tough/unfair to compare modded vs modded....but like I said, while the gen 1 w/ a whipple will certainly sound meaner & make a bit more HP vs a tuned gen 2 it ain’t gonna be any quicker that’s for damn sure.

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It's only a 39 horsepower difference stock but, yes, as you noted the weight difference and the extra gears make a bigger difference.

A Whipple truck runs circles around a tuned Gen 2, though. You are talking about a truck that makes more power at the rear wheels than the Gen 2 does at the crank.

The math doesn't lie.

5800 lbs / ~525 hp = 11 pounds per horsepower

6300 lbs / ~700 hp = 9 pounds per horsepower

Badgertits said:

“Aren’t looking for a lot of power out of it”? Seems to me a) the gen 2 raptor already crushes the gen 1 in the power & esp TQ dept. & b) w/ a tune only on a gen 2 I’m pretty sure you’ll be fairly close (within 40-50) to the RWHP of a gen 1 running a damn whipple & will make MORE TQ than the blown gen 1- & regardless of being down some in HP to a blown gen 1 the gen 2 will ABSOLUTELY be faster all around. And that’s just w/ a tune.

I wasn’t even interested in a Raptor coming from GM/Toyota trucks until they redesigned w/ the 10 speed & HO 3.5- the gen 2 is better in so many ways, I mean before even getting into the mechanical stuff the gen 2s are made outta AL for starters which means no rust to worry about & lighter weight. That alone should be a non starter w/ a gen 1 if you’re being pragmatic.

subjectively Id imagine most prefer the looks of the gen 2 vs gen 1 but that’s a matter of preference I suppose

While being MUCH lighter the gen 2 is also much stiffer & has a factory reinforced frame/shock mounts - gen 1s less rigid more flex & there have been cases of failures in extreme off-roading.

the interior/electronics/infotainment/options are all noticeably improved upon.

they have a warranty

I would avoid a 2017 or early 2018 just b/c seems to be more problems w/ the 17s (& any first year vehicle as far as that goes) & the early 2018s still have plastic oil pans.

if you can swing a ‘19+ go for it but I opted not to when buying new b/c I was on the fence about the live valve shocks & assumes (rightfully at the time) that leveling the truck would be more problematic w/ the live valve type.

Lastly....just drive a stockish gen 1 against a stockish gen 2 & you’ll make your mind up easily I’m sure. It’s tough/unfair to compare modded vs modded....but like I said, while the gen 1 w/ a whipple will certainly sound meaner & make a bit more HP vs a tuned gen 2 it ain’t gonna be any quicker that’s for damn sure.

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Very good info here. Thanks for the education.

Truckasaurus said:

It's only a 39 horsepower difference stock but, yes, as you noted the weight difference and the extra gears make a bigger difference.

A Whipple truck runs circles around a tuned Gen 2, though. You are talking about a truck that makes more power at the rear wheels than the Gen 2 does at the crank.

The math doesn't lie.

5800 lbs / ~525 hp = 11 pounds per horsepower

6300 lbs / ~700 hp = 9 pounds per horsepower

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Youre correct, the math doesn’t lie. The correct math. you’re delusional about the power increase on blown gen 1- 700? Wtf you talking about? That may be an extremely generous estimate for power @ the crank- but far as I can tell blown 6.2 gen 1s hit right around 500whp & 460-480tq - procharger results on a gen1 right here (517/481): http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/engine/1205tr-prochargers-6-2-l-battle-ford-raptor-vs-gmc-sierra

Oh you’re talking whipple tho right? Even less (502/485):
here’s a snapshot of what goosetunes getting outta gen2s w/ a tune & IC (IC really just makes peak HP more repeatable/reliable as far as I’m concerned)

it ain’t even close. As James Hetfield once said “you know it’s sad but true!!” Bahahahhaha

so 911crazy there’s a little more factual info for ya ;-)

Guy. You are internet racing me with 8 year old links? Come on! LOL

Truckasaurus said:

Guy. You are internet racing me with 8 year old links? Come on! LOL

I can assure you that my truck has no problem with tuned Gen 2s ​

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yeah I guess you’re right, that whipple truck being 8 years older probably making less rwhp at this point lol

that’s what they make 500ish & 470-490ish tq

I provided very reputable proven evidence of this- show me a 700whp dyno sheet from a supercharger only gen 1 raptor & we can talk, hell- find me one making 550-600whp w/ just a blower & I’ll be impressed (Hint, don’t waste your time- they don’t exist)

Badgertits said:

yeah I guess you’re right, that whipple truck being 8 years older probably making less rwhp at this point lol

that’s what they make 500ish & 470-490ish tq

I provided very reputable proven evidence of this- show me a 700whp dyno sheet from a supercharger only gen 1 raptor & we can talk, hell- find me one making 550-600whp w/ just a blower & I’ll be impressed (Hint, don’t waste your time- they don’t exist)

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No offense but you're completely ignorant. 550 whp is extremely common for a supercharged Gen 1 and has been for a very long time.

Here's one making 548 with full stock exhaust:

https://www.fordraptorforum.com/threads/svc-whipple-supercharger-kit.40111/

With a bigger TB and headers I have seen them make north of 590 whp.

The fact that you are surprised by this is... well I guess it's par for the course in this group.

Badgertits said:

yeah I guess you’re right, that whipple truck being 8 years older probably making less rwhp at this point lol

that’s what they make 500ish & 470-490ish tq

I provided very reputable proven evidence of this- show me a 700whp dyno sheet from a supercharger only gen 1 raptor & we can talk, hell- find me one making 550-600whp w/ just a blower & I’ll be impressed (Hint, don’t waste your time- they don’t exist)

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Since you mentioned getting slower with age, that's actually a Gen 2 thing...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-reliability-maintenance/

"In May 2017, just after completing its 1000-mile break-in period, our Raptor vaporized the 60-mph mark in 5.5 seconds and bulldozed its way through the quarter-mile in 14.2 seconds at 97 mph. By June 2018, some 39,000 miles later, it added 0.5 second to both milestones and lost 4 mph from its trap speed. In the wrap-up test, the truck needed an additional 2.5 seconds to reach 100 mph."

Great trucks... really great trucks... not so much for the engines, though

Truckasaurus said:

Guy. You are internet racing me with 8 year old links? Come on! LOL

I can assure you that my truck has no problem with tuned Gen 2s ​

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I have owned both, and the Gen 2 is far better than the Gen 1 in every department, except the exhaust note. Please provide proof of your truck not having problems against tuned Gen 2s. (Anything you have). If you are really at 700 HP, then please tell us how you got there and how much it cost.