Trade gen 2 for gen 1??

realjones88 said:

You have three? people in this thread alone talking about how more they like their supercharged gen 1. Yeah you put a $10K supercharger on it that makes up for the biggest deficit which is speed (gen 1 is 7.1 vs 5.5 for gen 2 0-60).

I can definitely see a gen 1 with a lot of money in it being better than a stock gen 2. Stock vs stock I think you'd miss the performance and technology differences.

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Who leaves their truck stock, though?

Jason Snokhous said:

If only it wasn’t damn near impossible to do a V8 swap. I’d drive the 3.5 till it pops then put a new V8 in it. I called Hennessy to see what they charge for a coyote swap.. $60k!!

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Eff Hennessey.
I'd rather do the EMB 4.2L stroker kit.
https://www.rmbmotorworks.com/product-page/rmb-motor-works-stage-3-gen-2-short-block

isis said:

There was no comparing unless you just want a V8. The second gen is a better truck from all objective points.

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Just ignore the engine reliability issues, right?

It's not that we just "want a V8"- we want a reliable engine long term. That is *not* a small displacement highly boosted engine slathered with all the BS hoses, piping, oil and coolant lines, etc that goes along with twin turbos. They are great when they are new, but give all that rubber and plastic 10 years and 100K miles of exposure to heat and cold and things changes quick. A big n/a V8 just happens to be the ideal solution. It's not highly stressed, and it's simple.

A n/a V8 will never have a turbo seal failure, or a bad wastegate, or a blow off valve leaking, or leaking IC piping, or a dozen other things that commonly occur on turbo engines. I'm sure Ford techs are more than happy when people buy these highly stressed complex engines. Major job security.

As it was stated earlier in the thread- if you plan to keep it long term get a G1. If you are buying new every 5 years, obviously get the G2. It's really that simple. I would not want to own a G2 long term out of warranty, although I wouldn't be scared of it either. In general, Ford makes quality engines, but you will have issues with the turbo system and all of it's associated hoses and piping- 100% guaranteed.

EricM said:

I would not want to own a G2 long term out of warranty

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100%. when these engines go, shit gets expensive to fix outside of warranty... been there no thanks!

The 3.5 will never be as reliable as the 6.2, but that doesn't mean it's a reason to avoid it. It has had some issues for sure, but there are a lot of them on the road if you include non-Raptors and I don't think they will be that much more expensive to fix in the long run. With performance comes complexity, almost without question, and that means reliability can suffer. I'm a big fan of the 6.2, but slap a supercharger on it and you'll have some additional reliability issues to contend with as well.

SVTTrooper said:

100%. when these engines go, shit gets expensive to fix outside of warranty... been there no thanks!

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A 6.2 long block isn't much cheaper than a H.O. 3.5 long block.

allinon72 said:

The 3.5 will never be as reliable as the 6.2, but that doesn't mean it's a reason to avoid it. It has had some issues for sure, but there are a lot of them on the road if you include non-Raptors and I don't think they will be that much more expensive to fix in the long run. With performance comes complexity, almost without question, and that means reliability can suffer. I'm a big fan of the 6.2, but slap a supercharger on it and you'll have some additional reliability issues to contend with as well.

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Had a roush SC for 50k miles with zero issues except for blowing eardrums in tunnels

RS4 said:

Had a roush SC for 50k miles with zero issues except for blowing eardrums in tunnels

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and still going strong

NASSTY said:

A 6.2 long block isn't much cheaper than a H.O. 3.5 long block.

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we've bought long blocks for some of our service trucks for 2 to 3 grand and even online 6.2 long blocks are no more than 3800.

a 3.5 HO is 7700 from summit and a regular 3.5TT is cheaper in that 4500 range.

RS4 said:

and still going strong

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50k miles isn’t a number to brag about reliability. 250k and then you’re talking about reliability.


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