GEN 2 My prediction on the 5.2

Begone said:

No V8 is coming to the Raptor anytime soon. And if so, it will be a $90k+ Truck, like the Shelby was when it hit the dealers - which I would not buy for a daily driver. I put on 61k miles on my Raptor since March of 2017.

I did want to wait for the Ram TRX, but again, that truck will be close to $100k like the Trackhawk

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Same. I was waiting for the TRX, but my assumption for the starting price and initial ADM would of pushed me out of my comfort range for a 1500 based truck.

And I agree about being skeptical regarding Ford putting in a V8 in the Raptor. Having no issues selling the current ones with a V6.

For me, would of liked to of seen the new 7.3 variant added as an option. While it wouldn't be that stupid HP variant like the 5.2 would bring, it should have good durability characteristics. And with it being a OHV, you would have so much more engine space room.

Donmatteo said:

lol. Horsepower wars for a off-road truck. I’d like to see people put down 800bhp on dirt. Move on troll

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Oh really, first how many people actually do offload?....... less than 15%.... google it. Now putting 800hp on dirt, seriously, how ignorant of you. Most baha trucks are 800+ hp. You should do ur research before calling others troll and go get a life dude!

A v8 will never happen. Electric assist will be coming before a v8. The next raptor will be a hybrid pushing 700hp. This is my prediction.

jaggwaa said:

Oh really, first how many people actually do offload?....... less than 15%.... google it. Now putting 800hp on dirt, seriously, how ignorant of you. Most baha trucks are 800+ hp. You should do ur research before calling others troll and go get a life dude!

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Raptor isn’t a Baja truck...dude...

Raptor isn’t driven by professionals...dude

Manufactures have real life big boy liability issues with big hp cars, dude.

look at the issues dodge had with the demon, dude.

Is say google it troll but your 30 min time of free internet at the library is over, dude.

troll away, dude. Troll away.

He's not wrong though. Eventually the required HP levels needed to sell a $75K halo truck will require more displacement.

Everything is relative. When your truck has 450 HP, 800 HP seems like SO MUCH and totally overkill. But when you come home with your 800 HP truck- it's just really not that big of a deal. 800 HP is what it CAN put out. There is a gas pedal that allows to to modulate the power.

I'm sure if we had this discussion 20 years ago everyone would say there's NO WAY half ton trucks will ever have 450+ HP, yet- here we are. 500+ HP n/a V8s will be common very soon.

We are living in the golden age of HP. The 60s muscle cars were flat out weak-sauce compared to any muscle car sold today. Even saddled with an extra 1000 lbs, new sports cars will flat out destroy even the very fastest limited production muscle car from back in the day. We have 1000 ft-lb diesels, Vettes running mid 10s from the factory.. I mean seriously, you really think Ford can stick with a small, boosted to the moon V6 indefinitely?

EricM said:

He's not wrong though. Eventually the required HP levels needed to sell a $75K halo truck will require more displacement.

Everything is relative. When your truck has 450 HP, 800 HP seems like SO MUCH and totally overkill. But when you come home with your 800 HP truck- it's just really not that big of a deal. 800 HP is what it CAN put out. There is a gas pedal that allows to to modulate the power.

I'm sure if we had this discussion 20 years ago everyone would say there's NO WAY half ton trucks will ever have 450+ HP, yet- here we are. 500+ HP n/a V8s will be common very soon.

We are living in the golden age of HP. The 60s muscle cars were flat out weak-sauce compared to any muscle car sold today. Even saddled with an extra 1000 lbs, new sports cars will flat out destroy even the very fastest limited production muscle car from back in the day. We have 1000 ft-lb diesels, Vettes running mid 10s from the factory.. I mean seriously, you really think Ford can stick with a small, boosted to the moon V6 indefinitely?

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yet they put the 3.5 EB in the Ford GT supercar with 647 hp and 550 ft/lbs...

They sure do. Problem is, it would never last at that power level in a F150 pulling a 10,000 lb trailer up a mountain in the Rockies. Pushing a lightweight sports car around a track can never load the engine as much, or for anywhere near the duration that a moving 15000+ lbs of truck and trailer up a long mountain pull does. They need to reduce cylinder temps and pressures to keep it alive. You can only do that by reducing the boost level or increasing the displacement. They already took the reduced boost route with the current HO 3.5L EB. There's still some left in it, but they can't do it on 3.5L and pump gas forever.

EricM said:

I mean seriously, you really think Ford can stick with a small, boosted to the moon V6 indefinitely?

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https://jalopnik.com/fords-mustang-inspired-electric-crossover-has-a-name-m-1839853152

and there are a lot more articles parroting basically the same info.

TBH, I don’t like it one bit that this vehicle shares the Mustang moniker. But, unless you’re on a liter bike, if a Tesla wants to out accelerate you, they will. They are quick as all get out. There is simply no tech practical to keep ICE’s on pace with electric power plants, the only real deficiencies are range and practicality... ok, and weight.

I don’t think real battery tech is “there” yet, but Ford could try and compete with Dodge’s way more powerful v8’s or focus attention on a more sustainable performance model. If they’re able to craft some decent hybrid tech, as it looks like they have done with the Lincoln, we’ll be seeing a newer, more boosted v6 with supplemental power.

I think a v8 would be cheaper in the short run, but Ford doesn’t want to be playing catch up with the F150 or F series in general. I think with the auto stop/start in the current trucks, we could have seamless power plant cut over or takeover, if the batteries go out. Who knows? They’re going to have to position themselves well against Chevy and Dodge, but also consider competition from Tesla, Rivian, Toyota, Nissan - to keep in the black and be able to offer trucks like the Raptor.

smurfslayer said:

Ford could try and compete with Dodge’s way more powerful v8’s or focus attention on a more sustainable performance model. If they’re able to craft some decent hybrid tech, as it looks like they have done with the Lincoln, we’ll be seeing a newer, more boosted v6 with supplemental power.

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That's a possibility. While they do make good power if designed for it, there's some distinct disadvantages and advantages with hybrids.

Disadvantages:
-More shit to fail for sure. The TT V6 is already a extremely complex power plant. DI, 4V, TT, VVT - What can Ford do to make it even more complex? Throw an additional power train on top of it. That's not a recipe for increasing reliability.

-Cost.

-Weight.

-Cold environments. Lots of F150s are operated regularly EXTREMELY cold conditions, although those types would probably pass on any powertrain that relies on a battery for anything other than starting it.

-The battery pack output degrades over time.

Advantages:
-More power.
-Better mileage.

You can get more power without a hybrid setup, so in the end the only real advantage is better mileage. Plenty of downsides, but only one upside IMO. It's a biggie, but it's still the only reason to buy a hybrid if a non-hybrid option is available with similar performance.

EricM said:

It's a biggie, but it's still the only reason to buy a hybrid if a non-hybrid option is available with similar performance.

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We’re talking about Raptors here, so a similar performance non hybrid powertrain, if they go that route, is exceedingly unlikely. In fact, it would be marketing suicide.

I can see them possibly implementing that battery tech on the Rap, and if all things are equal that’s about 600/600 hp/tq with zero done to the current ecoboost, which again would be marketing suicide to not add more power to the base power plant.

I can see them breaking 500 crank hp on the current 3.5, maybe slightly more torque. Then option the Lincoln hybrid system and you have more than enough acceleration on demand.

Unless you want to shack up in a remote hut to author your anti-technology manifesto, the too much technology horse has already left the barn. It’s already impossible to disable all the electro-nannies completely.