GEN 2 Gas Octane Question

EricM said:

I run our two EB vehicles on 87 exclusively. Between them both, I save nearly $1000 a year in fuel costs. Both are stock. Both go like stink on 87. 93 octane might net me a couple tenths in a 0-60 run, but I'm not drag racing them- so I don't care. I would not run a aftermarket tune on 87.

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Do you put A1 on your ribeye?

xrocket21 said:

Do you put A1 on your ribeye?

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I mean **** dude, why not put some 104 in there? It's only $8 a gallon. Where's the line?

At exactly what point is enough money spent on fuel to make someone part of your elite fuel snob crowd so that they can then look down condescendingly on everyone else who chooses to not spend their money on additional octane points? Is 93 octane it? If I use 93 all the time, can I then sneer at anyone who is filling a Ford EB equipped engine with 87 and mutter to myself, what a moron they are? How about 91? Can I sneer at half of them?

I have a car that makes a ton of power and runs premium fuel that I can have fun with. If I'm going to race something- it'll be that. Eeking out the last 5% from a EB daily driver isn't worth the $1000 a year to me. If you think that makes me cheap, fools and their money is all I have to say.

Salt and pepper only BTW. Duh.

I dont have a car that makes a ton of power and runs premium fuel that I can have fun with. I have the raptor which is my daily, which I try to get the most power out of.

What is the point of getting a raptor and running 87? Just get a normal f150?

I guess I am just REALLY not part of the raptor demographic

xrocket21 said:

I dont have a car that makes a ton of power and runs premium fuel that I can have fun with. I have the raptor which is my daily, which I try to get the most power out of.

What is the point of getting a raptor and running 87? Just get a normal f150?

I guess I am just REALLY not part of the raptor demographic

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What is the point of getting a Raptor at all? What does the octane fuel you burn in the engine have anything to do with selecting a Raptor over a Platinum? You can get the same engine in a "normal" F150 you know.

You are basically falling back on the "it costs a lot more than a normal F150, so you obviously have the money to literally burn" argument. So, since it cost $70K you have to run premium fuel right? What about a new $35K Ford Edge? Do we have to run premium in that? What about a SHO that only cost $20K used? How cheap does the vehicle have to be before it's OK to run 87 instead of 93?

People who have money to burn often have that money because they choose not to burn it.

WTF do you need every last bit of power for driving back and forth to work or the store anyways? You street racing it? You drag racing it? Seriously, what is your use case for the extra 10% of power you *might* get from the extra octane? Just for fun merging onto the highway?

So, by that logic, you could run 87, and you could also run smaller tires. Smaller tires would save way more money than low octane fuel.

Its not a money thing, its a "why buy a performance vehicle if you dont care about performance" thing. It just doesnt make sense to me.

Its similar to buying a hellcat and never using the red key. Whats the point? Just get a charger.

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xrocket21 said:

So, by that logic, you could run 87, and you could also run smaller tires. Smaller tires would save way more money than low octane fuel.

Its not a money thing, its a "why buy a performance vehicle if you dont care about performance" thing. It just doesnt make sense to me.

Its similar to buying a hellcat and never using the red key. Whats the point? Just get a charger.

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I think you’re getting a little carried away with the performance delta between 87, 91 and 93 octane fuel. If you feel like you are getting the performance to justify the expense then continue to do so, but your analogies are a bit ridiculous.

Car and Driver magazine had an article last month in the print edition where they tested four vehicles with various engines to determine whether premium fuel made a difference. One of the vehicles was an F150 Limited with the Raptor motor. Of the vehicles they tested, 93 octane made the biggest difference in that motor.

BY gawd look power at the wheels on that M5! I had the TT V8 M6 back in another life (2014? maybe) and it was a rocket ship.

xrocket21 said:

So, by that logic, you could run 87, and you could also run smaller tires. Smaller tires would save way more money than low octane fuel.

Its not a money thing, its a "why buy a performance vehicle if you dont care about performance" thing. It just doesnt make sense to me.

Its similar to buying a hellcat and never using the red key. Whats the point? Just get a charger.

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No matter the fuel being burned, the "performance vehicle" is always going to be much faster than the base model. On top of that, acceleration is far from the only thing that makes a performance vehicle a performance vehicle. It's the most celebrated aspect, but the suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, exterior and interior upgrades that are typically present over base versions are just as nice to have and always there no matter the fuel being burned. Giving up a slight bit of ultimate acceleration to save money on the fuel costs doesn't mean someone doesn't care about the performance in their vehicle.

As for the Hellcat- acceleration is the ONLY attraction. Of course you would use it all on a regular basis. Otherwise it's an overweight pig on an ancient platform that makes you feel like you are sitting in a bathtub while driving it. It doesn't corner very well and the brakes are nothing to write home about due to it's weight. The Raptor though? It's a low 14 second pickup truck at best, even on 93 octane in mineshaft air. Maybe mid 13s tuned, if you are lucky. Yeah, it's damn good for a truck with 35-in tires, but mid 13s is no faster than a 10 year old Mustang GT you can buy for $10K. It's still slow as hell no matter what you do to it, and of course the brakes suck ass due to the weight and the massive tires.

I was saying it somewhat in jest, buy seriously, why don't you put some big ass turbos and aggressive tune on your truck and burn 104 unleaded everywhere you go? If ultimate acceleration is the target for you, and fuel costs be damned- well, then you still aren't doing it right. There's something called "balance" in life and we all choose our own point at which the scale tips.