GEN 2 My truck is gutless !!

Kraftei said:

I put a couple hundred kms on this morning, no better. From reading some of the comments sounds like something is wrong. Complete dog power wise. I have not had a chance to dig into the manual so quick question, how do you lock it into sport mode? Every time I restart it’s back to the base setting. Thanks !!

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While it is not a sports car, I would by no means call the truck a complete dog (especially in sports mode). I would take it into the dealer and have them take a look. Could be some issue with the turbos maybe? I am not sure of any way for the truck to default to Sports mode, I think it will always restart in normal mode.

The turbo gauge goes the full 140 Kpa, that would suggest to me that the turbos are working. I think I will put on some more mileage and reassess the situation.

LordExplorer said:

I picked my ‘19 up from KC dealer two weeks ago and drove back to Denver (all side roads to vary rpms and break it in properly). What I noticed (and read) is that initially the transmission is learning and the shifts not optimal. After a while the transmission started feeling on point and the truck seemed more alive. Just my 2 cents

On a side note, I used to hate driving thru boring ass Kansas. I have a whole new appreciation for the state and the roads after doing all side/scenic routes back to Denver.

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Curious where you bought it?

I believe it stays in "break-in" mode for about 500 miles which would be 800+ KM. If it still is not right, I would take it back to the dealer. Be sure to fill it up with premium gas.

BIG TIME BALLER said:

The issue appears to be that the Raptor falls short of their expectations in a few areas. Satisfying this segment of buyers is something Ford should consider with the next gen Raptor.

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Putting my salesman hat (I've never worked for/at/with any auto manufacturer) on I'd be steering them towards Roush or Shelby or Henessy modified Raptors, that is just a bonus.

I just needed a truck, and any factory truck I could buy would be a lesser offroader (for low speed ranch duty with 15-foot boulders and trees everywhere) than the one I was trading in. So I bought the baddest most capable offroad truck I could afford. The fact that it is still quicker/faster on-pavement at posted speed limits than any other stock truck except SRT10 and Lightning neither of which I see on the roads anymore.

(Ooops, I did see a G2 Lightning a couple of weeks ago)

BIG TIME BALLER said:

camera resolution, etc.

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You know, the resolution and low-light performance is really REALLY bad, and the top down/4-direction thing (brain fart cannot remember the name) is terribad! Nissan had better in 2010. But then I start the motor and put her in gear and all is forgotten.

rtmozingo said:

I'm willing to bet most of you in person would be very surprised at the speeds you can hit stuff offroad and be fine.

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This is 100% true!

There's a section of trail I've driven 1,000 times before. Ranger STX (remember those?) 5 or 6 F150s (FX4/XLT/platinum/lariat), a couple of Willys, an International or two, a WWII PowerWagon (!!!), and half a dozen Wranglers. It is about a 400 foot climb on "granite-gravel" (which is very slippery) with boulders and trees close on the sides, total length is about half a mile.

I'm no stunt driver (I'll even accept the term chickensh1t since I have grandkids and this is my DD), and getting into the weeds out there is not only life threatening but it will be 6-12 hours before they can extract you.

This Raptor can climb that road in less than half the time of any other vehicle, and that is not pushing it compared to those lesser vehicles where I'd be pushing it even harder since it was less capable. Does that make sense?

Raptor911 said:

I have owned 3 M-cars and currently own an M2.

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I've lusted after the 3 for many years, dealer convinced me to get the 335 and doing the Dinan tune. I know it is not the same, even with the sport package and aftermarket susp kit. It is just what I could afford.

jaz13 said:

Look, another ignorant owner that buys a truck designed specifically for uncompromised offroad performance and then complains about its road manners because it doesn't measure up to their M, AMG, or Porsche.

Ford really needs to implement a screening process to keep the Raptor out of BMW owner's hands.

If a person is cross-shopping the Raptor against German luxury cars, please, please, please do everyone a favor and cross the Raptor off your list.

As you have already learned, the Raptor is most definitely not for you and no one will miss you when you are gone.

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Dude... what’s up with the hate. I’m just sharing my experience in a relevant thread.

Fact is... people that can afford a Raptor can also afford other high end vehicles. There will be cross shopping and purchases made.

The real issue is that the Raptor should not cost $75k. It’s not $40k more truck than a Lariat. The pricing a exclusivity is what attracts this segment of buyers. They make the assumption that it is as well built and refined as the other $75k vehicles they have owned.

A slight push on the throttle in sport mode induces smile producing wheel spin and instant acceleration (the shift logic improves with more seat time).

I don't get the performance bashing from the echo chamber - it is an off-road truck and does that part exceptionally well along with respectable street performance.

Mine is covered in mud on a weekly basis (gave up keeping it clean) and I use it to earn my pay at work. The truck does everything I need it to do and better than any previous F-150 (5.0 and 3.5), Ram 2500 Hemi, or Super Duty Powerstroke I've owned in the past.

The truck is a joy to drive.

BIG TIME BALLER said:

The real issue is that the Raptor should not cost $75k. It’s not $40k more truck than a Lariat. The pricing a exclusivity is what attracts this segment of buyers. They make the assumption that it is as well built and refined as the other $75k vehicles they have owned.

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My somewhat loaded 18 stickererd at 67k. A similarly equipped 2019 Lariat is $56k (3.5, 4x4, supercrew, 502a, etc). Admittedly the Lariat would sell for much further below sticker, but you're talking more like $20k, not $40k between them. To me the extra $15-20k was worth it for the suspension, wheels, tires and powertrain.

BIG TIME BALLER said:

Dude... what’s up with the hate. I’m just sharing my experience in a relevant thread.

Fact is... people that can afford a Raptor can also afford other high end vehicles. There will be cross shopping and purchases made.

The real issue is that the Raptor should not cost $75k. It’s not $40k more truck than a Lariat. The pricing a exclusivity is what attracts this segment of buyers. They make the assumption that it is as well built and refined as the other $75k vehicles they have owned.

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Your response answers a lot and that is not the real issue - the real issue is unrealistic expectations.

Just because you have the financial means to afford a Raptor doesn't mean you are capable of understanding why it is distinctly different from the other F-150 trim levels and therefore commands a higher price tag.

A lot of us didn't assume anything about the G2 Raptor and did our research before committing to one because it fits a specific need. I needed a capable off-road vehicle for all kinds of conditions and the Raptor filled every one I have to deal with at work. The only other vehicle on my list that came fairly close was a Wrangler Rubicon but the build quality wasn't where I wanted it to be with the new JL's so I went back to Ford and chose the Raptor.

Just to clarify, my Raptor, unlike a lot of them on the road, helps me earn a living and keeps a smile on my face while doing it.

baptizo said:

Your response answers a lot and that is not the real issue - the real issue is unrealistic expectations.

Just because you have the financial means to afford a Raptor doesn't mean you are capable of understanding why it is distinctly different from the other F-150 trim levels and therefore commands a higher price tag.

A lot of us didn't assume anything about the G2 Raptor and did our research before committing to one because it fits a specific need. I needed a capable off-road vehicle for all kinds of conditions and the Raptor filled every one I have to deal with at work. The only other vehicle on my list that came fairly close was a Wrangler Rubicon but the build quality wasn't where I wanted it to be with the new JL's so I went back to Ford and chose the Raptor.

Just to clarify, my Raptor, unlike a lot of them on the road, helps me earn a living and keeps a smile on my face while doing it.

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Researched the Raptor for 6 months deciding between an 18’ and a 19’. I just wanted it so much that I fooled myself into believing I could live with the comprises. Part of that decision making process was knowing that resale was very good and it wasn’t a huge risk if I didn’t like it.

Lesson learned for me. I’m just sharing my experience in case someone else is in the same boat and wants a real world comparison to other vehicles typically cross shopped against the Raptor.

Please stop with the attacks... I still own the thing.