Catastrophic engine failure, what would you do?

Crash33 said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around them offering you $37k for a Gen 2 that needs $13k in work (that's retail) as a trade for another vehicle on their lot with a straight face. They're offering you less than $50k?

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That dealer would likely make a big profit, since they can do the work for far less $$. They could also pick up a used engine out of a wreck cheap and really clean up.

TJL442 said:

So you bought your dad the Bullet Mustang?

Tim

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Yes.

To better explain the nature of the situation, I was on a waiting list (at my normal dealer) for a Bullitt since they were first announced. I was recently informed that “the owner” of the dealer wanted it for himself, I believe in the reality he’s planning on selling it 10k over MSRP, as are all of the other dealers in my area are doing but that’s beside the point.


So my truck shows low oil pressure, I limp 300 yards into the service station (of a different dealer), turns out they had a Bullitt that an employee special ordered (green window sticker) and didn’t realize that he wasn’t going to get a-plan on it so he punked. The window sticker wasn’t even on Ford’s website yet, it was probably delivered that morning. I got lucky.

And at that time I had no idea that they were going to claim catastrophic failure, the noise I heard was very, very slight. Less than mild lifter tick slight.

It’s funny watching these threads take weird turns here and there. Congrats on your Mustang for your Dad. Unlike a previous poster I believe it has ZERO relavence on whether you should pay $13k for a new motor or not. All it says to me, as you said, is that you are continuing to invest in the Ford Brand and hopefully that resonates with how you’re treated by the dealer.

No matter how much money you have “$2k here and $2k there” is real money let alone upwards of $15k. I would argue EVERYONE would pay attention on how they spend their money for something that won’t increase or retain any value. A Raptor with 34k miles and a new motor isn’t worth substantially, if any, more than a Raptor with 34k and the original motor.

Please keep us informed of the progress. I am running the 91 MPT tune as well on a 2017 and have a lot of interest in how this turns out.

I am hoping that you get good news and the engine is covered.

You are a hell of a son to do that. I'm impressed.

Tim

OPT PRIME said:

Guys here is the reality.
Stock Raptor: 122HP/L
Tuned Raptor: 151HP/L
Stock 2019 911 Turbo: 142HP/L

A fellow instructor of mine had a Turbo 996 that saw a track weekend for over ten years, north of 20,000 track miles when he sold the vehicle with the original engine still in place. A new engine for the Porsche is 5x as much money and puts down less HP/L than a tuned Ecoboost.

The reality, Ford has NOT figured out a way to make a $6000 (1/5th the cost) engine reliable at those power levels, no one can. The material selection, testing and assembly procures are wildly different. I honestly feel the stock raptor is marginal at 450 and seeing all the problems here wish I had NOT tuned the engine. That being said I will be ordering a long block ahead of the curve and shoving one into the corner of my garage for when mine goes, that day is coming. Round two is going to have a a better lubrication system.

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Makes you wonder if that's the reason we haven't seen the "Ford Performance Tune" that was rumored to be "coming soon" over a year ago.

I'm watching this thread pretty closely. I was planning on doing a tune (MPT) on my Raptor after delivery and break in, but the content of this conversation has me reconsidering decision.

jaz13 said:

Powertrain is 5/60.

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power train is for life at most dealers

mamula said:

power train is for life at most dealers

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The dealer doesn't dictate warranty terms, manufacturer does.

jabroni619 said:

The dealer doesn't dictate warranty terms, manufacturer does.

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it’s nowhere near that simplistic.

The dealer service rep, mech & s/m are your first interaction. You make a negative or average impression there, you lose an opportunity for their advocacy on your behalf. Obviously, if you are towed in, rod through the block and a 300 shot of N2O hooked up, don’t abuse your relationship with the service staff. You know you did that one. OTOH, it’s not unrealistic to ask the service staff to not pre-judge the cause of failure. And sure, the mfgr. will make the final decision, but it will be with input from the service staff.

smurfslayer said:

it’s nowhere near that simplistic.

The dealer service rep, mech & s/m are your first interaction. You make a negative or average impression there, you lose an opportunity for their advocacy on your behalf. Obviously, if you are towed in, rod through the block and a 300 shot of N2O hooked up, don’t abuse your relationship with the service staff. You know you did that one. OTOH, it’s not unrealistic to ask the service staff to not pre-judge the cause of failure. And sure, the mfgr. will make the final decision, but it will be with input from the service staff.

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Completely irrelevant. The question wasn't "who do you interact with for warranty claims"

The post I quoted said most dealers give lifetime warranty on the drivetrain. This is not accurate. Your drivetrain and bumper to bumper warranty periods are not provided to you by the dealer. They are a manufacturer warranty and they are not lifetime. You can get add-on warranties through third parties, but that too is not relevant because that isn't what's being discussed.

The warranty is a factory/manufacturer warranty (meaning from Ford, not Ford dealers) and it is NOT lifetime.