GEN 2 HO motor takes 7 quarts initial fillup, but 6 for maintenance...

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If you can't completely drain an engine of dirty motor oil, it's evidence of poor design. They could put a drain on the oil cooler. They could resolve the issue in the design phase. They didn't. Bad engineering.

do many vehicles come with oil cooler drains?
 

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Whatever it is, I won't believe it. Some manufacturers specify oil changes at 10,000 t0 15,000 mile intervals. This, of course, reflects their desire to see you in the dealerships for repairs and new purchases.

If you don't believe the longevity associated with today's synthetic oils, send a sample of your old oil to Blackstone (or any Oil Analysis Co. of your choosing) and they will tell you everything you want to know about your engines health, rate of wear, oil life remaining, contaminants, etc.

I used to manage the largest IBM Data Center on the planet. There were 36 CAT, Cummins, and Detroit powered generators on site. Approximately 50 Mega Watts of emergency backup power. This also equated to thousands of gallons in oil changes, annually.

What we found through rigorous sampling and testing is that today's filtration and oil technology is far and away superior, in the industry, than just a decade ago. We were seeing oil with 200 hours of run-time were very low on contaminants (dirty) and still retained superior viscosity. These diesels typically ran @ 1,800 RPM with greater than 20% load. The net of it is, we were able to extend our oil change intervals while still retaining the utmost in reliability.

I now perform the same oil analysis on my personal vehicles. It provides great piece of mind and data.
 

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It must have a larger oil cooler? It can't just be the fact that it has one or because the turbos, because the regular EB has all that too.
 

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That's mighty interesting, @EIGHTLUG. I appreciate that information, however I doubt its applicability to street and off-road driving:

- Your diesel generators were designed for steady state operation. Automobiles don't operate that way. Off-road vehicles even less so.
- Diesel generators and gasoline powered engines are very different power plants, operate differently, burn different fuels, have vastly different compression ratios, etc.
- Diesel generators don't move, so they can have huge filtration systems. How big were the filters on those generators?
- Because weight is not a factor in stationary diesel generators, they can have huge oil capacities. Betcha your generators had more than 7 quarts of oil in them.

All of those will greatly affect the results of an oil analysis.

I use fully synthetic motor oil in everything I own, including the lawn mower. I really am a great fan of synthetic motor oil. I change oil at 6,000 mile intervals in my Raptor and my wife's Ford Edge. Following this scheme in several decades worth of previous vehicles, I've never suffered any kind of mechanical engine failure. I drove a 1986 Nissan D21 4x4 for 19 years and never had a failure. My method obviously works quite well. I trust my personal experience a LOT more than I trust the auto manufacturers.
 

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That's mighty interesting, @EIGHTLUG. I appreciate that information, however I doubt its applicability to street and off-road driving:

- Your diesel generators were designed for steady state operation. Automobiles don't operate that way. Off-road vehicles even less so.
- Diesel generators and gasoline powered engines are very different power plants, operate differently, burn different fuels, have vastly different compression ratios, etc.
- Diesel generators don't move, so they can have huge filtration systems. How big were the filters on those generators?
- Because weight is not a factor in stationary diesel generators, they can have huge oil capacities. Betcha your generators had more than 7 quarts of oil in them.

All of those will greatly affect the results of an oil analysis.

I use fully synthetic motor oil in everything I own, including the lawn mower. I really am a great fan of synthetic motor oil. I change oil at 6,000 mile intervals in my Raptor and my wife's Ford Edge. Following this scheme in several decades worth of previous vehicles, I've never suffered any kind of mechanical engine failure. I drove a 1986 Nissan D21 4x4 for 19 years and never had a failure. My method obviously works quite well. I trust my personal experience a LOT more than I trust the auto manufacturers.
And I am totally on board with everything you just said. I'm in my late 30's, so I'm from the "old school" of the 3,000 mile oil changes. That's what prompted me to start sampling and testing my engine oil. I wanted to know, for myself, what was going on with my engine. I honestly can't wait to start sampling and trending the data I'll get back from the EB HO engine. Initial wear during the break-in period, additives in the oil that Ford may or may not be using, how much assembly lube or solvents will be reported. It's going to be interesting stuff. Blackstone will inform you, through their report, if any engine component appears to show signs of accelerated degradation. I kind of geek out on this stuff.
 

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I've run Mobil 1 in all my cars.

'89 Saab Turbo - old style turbo that you were supposed to let idle to cool the turbo down, which I never did. Changed the oil whenever I remembered about it and it was convenient - somewhere between 5k and 10k miles, I'd assume. I had it for 18 years and the engine was the only thing on that car that never broke.

'00 Saab Viggen - HO turbo, more modern with oil circulators and such. Same intervals as above and no problems ever. I think it had 80k on it when we sold it, so you wouldn't have expected anything in that short of time.

'03 BMW X5 - tells you when to change the oil based on some algorithm. Dumbest indicator ever in that it's a series of lights that go out rather than come on, so I never notice it. I became the dog car at some point and I promptly change the oil whenever it dawns on me that it's been like two years since I've done it. No issues other than the fact that all BMW i6's guzzle oil - the rate of guzzlement hasn't changed since it was new though, so I'm good with it.

'12 Merc C300 - this one is supposed to monitor the oil condition and tell you when to change it. It comes up with a big warning telling you to do so every time you start it up, so I actually pay attention to it. It's got 75k on it now and I've taken it in for service four times, so it's asking for an oil change every 15 to 20k miles or so. No problems yet.

'17 Tesla - still on order, but I suspect that oil changes will be rare.

'64 356c - this little guy has a bypass oil filter which means that it filters the oil whenever it -- wait, no, it never filters the damn oil. It's wishful thinking at best. It had 500k+ on the motor when I got it so it's indestructible. I could fill it with maple syrup and it would probably run.
 
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I'm in my late 30's, so I'm from the "old school" of the 3,000 mile oil changes.

Whoo-Hooo! Thanks for the belly laugh, EIGHTLUG! Damn, that's funny!!! "Old school" and about half my age! :) :) :)

I'll be real interested in the results you get from your oil testing program, as I am sure will many others here. Please don't be shy about reporting your results. Thanks in advance!

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I've used Mobil 1 for many years, too, @ovrlnd - cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc. Never a problem in 30+ years. (Wish I could say as much for wives, ya know?)

If you ever get around to changing the oil in that Tesla, we'd sure like to hear about it here. ;)
 
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Whoo-Hooo! Thanks for the belly laugh, EIGHTLUG! Damn, that's funny!!! "Old school" and about half my age! :) :) :)

I'll be real interested in the results you get from your oil testing program, as I am sure will many others here. Please don't be shy about reporting your results. Thanks in advance!

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I've used Mobil 1 for many years, too, @ovrlnd - cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc. Never a problem in 30+ years. (Wish I could say as much for wives, ya know?)

If you ever get around to changing the oil in that Tesla, we'd sure like to hear about it here. ;)

LOL, you're welcome. You get much younger than me, and those guys never lived in the times where there was only the conventional oil option.

On the topic of oil sampling, it would be beneficial to have others performing the same testing. That way we'd be able to gather a broader data sampling and see any actual irregularities. Just a thought.
 

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